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Welcome to WikiProject Cue sports. Some Wikipedians have formed this collaboration resource and group dedicated to improving Wikipedia's coverage of cue sports (pool, snooker and billiards) and the organization of information and articles on this topic. This page and its subpages contain their suggestions and various resources; it is hoped that this project will help to focus the efforts of other Wikipedians interested in the topic. If you would like to help, please join the project, inquire on the talk page and see the to-do list below.

Goals and scope

Goals
Scope

The scope of this WikiProject may be relatively hands-off in the case of cue sports subtopics that already have their own "child" WikiProjects (e.g., WikiProject Snooker), whom this WikiProject will work closely with.

Portal

Ongoing activities

  • Popular pages: A bot-generated list of pageviews, useful for focused cleanup of frequently viewed articles.
  • Quality operations: A bot-generated detail log for "Cue sports" articles.
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Proposals


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Article alerts

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Open tasks

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Editing advice

Authoring & editing

Style and naming conventions

All articles and categories within the scope of this WikiProject should adhere to WP:Manual of Style (cue sports) style and naming convention guideline. The super-short version:

  • The game is "nine-ball" (likewise eight-ball, one-pocket, etc.) — not "9-ball". (Exception: "blackball" is fully compounded, almost universally)
  • Non-compound-noun game names are not hyphenated (bank pool, carom billiards, English billiards, straight rail)
  • The ball is "the 9 ball" (likewise the 15 ball, the cue ball, the solid balls, etc.) — not "the 9-ball" or "the nine ball".
  • Scores and rankings are given as numbers, per long-standing sports statistics tradition — "1st place", "3–2 victory", "ranked number 45".
  • Other numbers should be spelled out: "a six ball game-ending run on the 9 ball in the fourth round of the match, to finish for a 5th place finish", or "the number twelve shakebottle pill was right next to the 9 ball, and I don't know why it was there because we were playing nine-ball; maybe it's because we'd already had seven beers each and had been playing for four hours".
  • Don't use (gramatically optional) compound adjective hyphenation with numbers, as it is too easily confused with a game name — not "a nine-ball run", even if you would write "a highly-skilled player".

Please see the actual guideline for more details and the rationale for this level of consistency control; it genuinely is important for article intelligibility, especially for non-native English speakers.

Notability

Please read and follow the WikiProject Cue sports notability recommendations and advice on compliance with Wikipedia Policies and Guidelines (This is not an Official Wikipedia Notability Guideline, but following it may well save your article from deletion.) The super-short version:

  • If he/she/it isn't important, don't make an article (or section) on that topic.
  • Don't pollute articles with games you and your friends made up, rules variants peculiar to your home town, novelty games, gimmick equipment, spam or non-neutral statements.
  • There's no need to split out into an article everything that possibly could be an article; no one needs a four sentence "article" about cue tip chalk.

Use the Glossary to make links

Articles within the scope of this Wikiproject will inevitably be using terms of art specific to the cue sports. A good resource for making links to words that are not self-explanatory for the uninitiated is the Glossary of cue sports terms. In order to make such links, a special template is used, as follows:

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Thus, if one wanted to wikify "apex ball", the following markup would be employed: Template:Tlx (because the entry for "apex ball" in the Glossary is "Apex"), which when saved would look like this: Template:Glossary link.

Using the glossary to define terms will greatly reduce redundant "definitionitis" in article after article, enable newcomers to the topic to find consensus-edited definitions in a central location, and keep old hands from becoming bored to tears reading things they already know. However, try to avoid overloading articles with specialized terms; people should not have to use the glossary several times per paragraph to understand an article.

Naming and disambiguation conventions

Script error: No such module "Shortcut".Script error: No such module "labelled list hatnote". When it is necessary to disambiguate player names, use "John Q. Public (pool player)" or "John Q. Public (snooker player)" for either of those particular disciplines, or "John Q. Public (billiards player)" for all others. If the player is notable for more than one discipline, use "John Q. Public (billiards player)", unless the player was mostly notable for either pool or snooker. If the person was notable both as a player and for some other role in the field, use the "player" disambiguation unless the subject was most notable for a non-player role, e.g. "John Q. Public (pool referee)" or "John Q. Public (billiards promoter)". If the subject was more notable for something else than a cue sport but was also at least marginally notable as a cue sports personage, use the field he or she was more notable for, e.g. John Hennigan (poker player). Regardless, do not use truncated forms such as "John Q. Public (billiards)", "John Q. Public (pool)" or "John Q. Public (snooker)"; per Wikipedia:Naming conventions (people), a player is a person (a player) not a billiard, a pool or a snooker.

For non-biographical articles, use "(billiards)" (e.g. Pocket (billiards)), as a disambiguator unless something more specific is warranted, in which case use "(snooker)" or "(pool)". There will be no need to disambiguate further, as in "(carom billiards)", except under the most unusual of circumstances, which should probably be revisited for some other solution anyway, such as an article merge. Prefer natural disambiguation when practical, e.g. Cue stick, not Cue (billiards), though the latter redirects to the former.

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Article "templates"

To the extent possible, all cue sports articles should be based on the WikiProject Cue sports basic article template or a more specific one [forthcoming] (That said, these templates are only suggestions, not an official Wikipedia Guidelines. The templates are [will be] here to help you focus and to get you going, especially if you aren't yet certain what to write or in what order, or where to begin. But mainly, we just want you to write articles!)

Cue sports conceptual hierarchy

Cue sports articles and categories are arranged in relation to each other by way of the following hierarchy. This hierarchy is not perfect in every way for every conceptual purpose, but is entirely adequate for our purposes here. Note that some items appear more than once; see in-section footnotes for explanations. See "Major articles" and "Major categories" for extant actual major articles and categories.

Key:
[Bracketed] items show relationships to other sports probably not within the scope of this WikiProject.
Italics indicate a relationship that may be relevant to articles (e.g., History sections), but are not be represented in categoryspace.
Bold indicates the five main divisions of cue sports for Wikipedia article & category purposes (plus a bolded entry for the overarching topic itself).

  • [Ancient non-team lawn games]
  • [Modern non-team lawn games (lawn bowling, horseshoes, golf, bocce, croquet, etc.)]
  • [Non-cued indoor adaptations of non-team lawn games (bowling, shuffleboard, curling, etc.)]*1
  • Cue sports (i.e. cued indoor adaptations of non-team lawn games)
  • Ancestral early variants using a mace instead of a modern cue*2
  • Obstacle billiards
  • Bar billiards
  • Bumper pool
  • Bagatelle
  • (other variants)
  • Carom (carambole, pocketless) billiards*3
  • Pocket billiards*4
  • [Non-cue tabletop ball(s)-and-obstacles games (pachinko, pinball, etc.)]
  • Carom (carambole, pocketless) billiards*3
  • Straight rail
  • Balkline games
  • Three-cushion
  • English billiards*5
  • (other variants)
  • Pocket billiards*4
  • Pool*6
  • Nine-ball
  • Seven-ball
  • Ten-ball
  • Eight-ball
  • Blackball
  • One-pocket
  • Bank pool
  • Finger pool*1 (?? or is this actually a carom game ??)
  • (other variants)
  • English billiards*5
  • Snooker*7
  • (other variants)
  • Snooker*7
  • [Ancient board games]
  • [Non-cued disk-flicking games]
  • Table-top cue games
  • Carrom (cued variants)
  • Novuss
  • Crokinole (cued variants)

*1 Finger pool, though technically a non-cue game is a direct descendant of billiards, and uses otherwise identical equipment.
*2 To be covered in Cue sports#History; not enough can be said (and cited) about this to warrant a separate article. On the slim chance that this does spawn enough articles for a category, that category should be at the same level as carom, obstacle, pocket and snooker under cue sports.
*3 Carambole games evolved from pre-bagatelle, croquet-like tabletop obstacle games. Within categoryspace and for most purposes in articlespace it is treated as one of the four main divisions of cuesports.
*4 Pocket billiards began as a variant of obstacle billiards.
*5 English billiards is a hybrid carom/pocket game, and we treat it as a variant of both equally. Same goes for Cowboy (billiards) and Bottle pool.
*6 Though not one of the four main subcategorizations of cue sports for our purposes, pool is obviously one of the top subjects and will likely represent the bulk of the articles in the cue sports articlespace. It is not ranked with snooker at the top level under cue sports, because it does not have the consistency and monolithic subculture that snooker does, it is a blanket term for a class of games played with pool equipment (eight-ball, nine-ball, etc.), and the terms "pocket billiards" and "pool" are used as synonyms in the industry.
*7 Historically and technically, snooker is a variant of pocket billiards. However, as an organized sport and subculture it has a life of its own and does not significantly overlap with any other form of cuesports, even the closely-related pool and English billiards.

Avoid creating unnecessary articles

For instance, unless someone has a wealth of reliably sourced information about the composition, history, importance, differences between different kinds, alternatives to, etc., etc., of Template:Glossary link, then we almost certainly do not need to create a Chalk (cue sports) article.

Do split articles that are getting unwieldy

The entire topic of cue sports aside from snooker was once represented mostly by a single long article at Billiards (now Cue sports). It was sensibly broken up into sub-articles and that work is still ongoing. So, for example if the eight-ball article becomes unwieldy and there is enough sourced material available about blackball, consider splitting the article into two. Note: This was actually done in March 2007, making the example particularly salient.

Don't unnecessarily duplicate lots of informaton

Articles about games or specific classes of games, for example, do not need to reiterate the entire history of cue sports, just the history of that particular variant. Likewise, we do not need wholesale reiterations of basic concepts, such as racking, lagging, etc. Use the Template:Tl template as much as possible (without creating redundant wikilinks in the same article; only the original introduction of a term needs such a wikilink in most cases.)

Articles within this WikiProject's scope

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See "Cue sports conceptual hierarchy", above, for organizing principles.

= Principally the work of someone not connected with the project, usually someone from WikiProject Snooker more specifically.

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These are the largest of the cue sports "master" articles, from which many other articles descend. Not surprisingly, the list bears a strong resemblance to the organization of the cue sports categories.

Important supporting articles

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Script error: No such module "anchor".Please feel free to list your new cue sports-related articles here (newer articles at the top, please). Listings will be removed as they age, unless they still need serious cleanup.

Any articles created (or existing and expanded at least five-fold) within the previous seven days that have an interesting or unusual fact in them, have a minimum of 1,500 characters of prose (ignoring infoboxes, categories, references, lists, tables etc.), don't have any dispute templates on them, and cite their sources, should be suggested for the Did you know? box on the Wikipedia Main Page. Note that articles developed in a subpage and later moved to the mainspace are considered new as of the date of the move.

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It is the highest priority to add at least two reliable, independent non-trivial sources to any articles that appear here (updated daily by a bot): {{Wikipedia:WikiProject Cue sports/Unreferenced BLPs}} {{Wikipedia:WikiProject Snooker/Unreferenced BLPs}}

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Categories within this WikiProject's scope

See cue sports conceptual hierarchy for organizing principles.
See categorization map for an overview of all the categories.

Major categories

These are the largest of the cue sports "master" categories, from which many other categories descend. Not surprisingly, it bears a strong resemblance to the organization of the hierarchy.

Project Resources

Templates

Fill-in-the-blanks default articles

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Talk page banners

The project banner, Template:Tlx, should be placed above any less specific ones (e.g. for WikiProject Biography, WikiProject Japan, etc.). The best way to use it is to just copy-paste the appropriate code block below, and modify the parts in italics.

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Stubs

Put stub tags at very end of page, after categories and language transwikis, with two blank lines before them; this will prevent them running up against the nav box when the page renders.

Code What it looks like Where to use
Template:Tl On stub articles related to cue sports (except if snooker-related — use Template:Tl instead.)
Template:Tl On stub articles related to cue sports players and non-player personalities (except if snooker-related — use Template:Tl instead or pool-related — use Template:Tl )
Template:Tl Template:Asbox On stub articles related to pool (pocket billiards) players and non-player personalities

Navigation

Code What it looks like Where to use
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On the bottom of all relevant article pages.

Infoboxes

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Code What it looks like Where to use
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{{Wikipedia:WikiProject Cue sports/Template:Infobox pool player name = Efren Reyes honorific_suffix = OLD, PLH image = File:Efren Reyes in the World 9-Ball Pool Championship (2).jpg image_size = 250px alt = Efren Reyes in the World 9-Ball Pool Championship caption = Efren Reyes in the World 9-Ball Pool Championship birth_date = Script error: No such module "age".Script error: No such module "Check for unknown parameters". birth_place = death_date = death_place = sport country = Script error: No such module "flag". nickname = the Magician, Script error: No such module "Lang". professional = game = 8 Ball, 9-Ball best finish = major wins = minor wins = other wins = world champ = 4 time (8 Ball), 1 time (9 Ball) website = medals =

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Men's Eight-Ball
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Men's Carom 1 Cushion
Southeast Asian Games

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Men's Carom 3 Cushion
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At top of every pool player article. Add in medals for World Games/Olympics.
Template:Tl {{Wikipedia:WikiProject Cue sports/Template:Pool tournaments}} On every pool tournament main page. Draft version is here.

Userbox

You might like to add a userbox to your userpage:

Code What it looks like Where to use
Template:Tl Script error: No such module "userbox".Template:Template other On your user page (or your userbox subpage).

Barnstar

Awarded to users who've significantly improved Cue sports-related articles.

Code What it looks like Where to use
Template:Tlx Template:The Cue sports Barnstar Placed at another users talk page.

Inline in article text

Convenient time-savers

  • {{Cuegloss|Entry to link to|text to link from}} – Used for convenient wikilinking of a term in an article to the appropriate #-linkable entry in the Glossary of cue sports terms without having to type such a long wikilink name. Template:Em Example usage: Template:Tlx is the equivalent of [[Glossary of cue sports terms#Break|break shot]].
  • Flag templates (with and without country names/abbreviations) for tournament results tables, champions lists, etc., are available from WikiProject Flag Template, and are much easier to use than [[image:Filename.svg|size|etc.]] [[Country Name]] manual coding. Template:Em

Reference citation shortcuts

  • Template:Tl – used inside <ref name="Shamos 1999"></ref> to cite Mike Shamos's The New Illustrated Billiards Encyclopedia without having to manually fill in Template:Tl; takes page numbers (with "p." or "pp.") as semi-optional parameter. Example: Blah blah blah.<ref name="Shamos1999">{{Shamos1999|access-date=2026-05-21|pp. 123–125}}</ref>
  • There are a bunch more, for Stein & Rubino's encyclopedia, and for various pool/billiards periodicals, at Category:Cue sports source templates.

Tournament charts

Brackets

Results charts

Current events

These warn readers that article may be updated frequently as results come in:

  • Template:Tlx – a hatnote for the article on an ongoing tournaments or the like, using "three-cushion tournament" as an example:Script error: No such module "Unsubst".
  • Template:Tlx – a message box for other articles (e.g. competitor bios) that may be affected by what happens at the ongoing event; second parameter is the name of the event article, using 2026 WPA World Nine-ball Championship as an example: Script error: No such module "Message box".

As the links in these templates suggest, any such event should be added to Portal:Current events/Sports.

Admin

  • Template:Tlx – put at top of categories slated for rename, deletion or merging (subst and edit as needed, if target category does not exist yet).

Participants

To sign on as a project member, simply add your name to the list below, and feel free to tell us about your relevant interests, focus, editing so far, etc. You can see who's been active lately at this auto-generated report.

Getting started

As a member of WikiProject Cue sports, it is requested that you watchlist at least the following pages:

Keeping in touch with the rest of the team via the project pages, and keeping an occasional eye on core articles will go a long way to strengthening the project and protecting the articles. Thank you for your collaboration!

You may place {{User WikiProject Cue sports}} on your user page to display the following userbox:

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This template will add your user page to:

If you feel like creating a new, sourced article, please see our lists of needed articles: WP:CUEGAMES, WP:CUEBIOS, WP:CUEEVENTS, WP:CUEORGS and WP:CUEMISC.

PS: You can save typing time and get to this project page via a shortcut, WP:CUE, and to the talk page here via another one, WT:CUE.

List of participants

Active or semi-active
  1. SMcCandlish [talk] [contrib] — originator of this WikiProject and one of its principal coordinators; a league eight-ball and nine-ball player
  2. Script error: No such module "user". 12:43, 18 November 2006 (UTC) -- Professional pool player (generally retired for a real career). Dabbler in three cushion (high run 13). Expert "Pool Teacher" at allexperts (Q&A column). Main contributor/creator of Carom billiards, Balkline and straight rail, Cushion caroms, Billiards, Rack (billiards) Glossary of cue sports terms (forked from billiards), Artistic billiards, Irving Crane, George Balabushka, Jean Balukas, Straight pool, cue sports techniques, cowboy pool, Honolulu (billiards), Kelly pool, Baseball pocket billiards and Bottle pool. I have quite a billiard library and can provide resources upon request.
  3. Script error: No such module "user". 02:37, 27 November 2006 (UTC) -- cue sports enthusiast, some time ago winner of a couple of amateur rotation tournaments, and particularly attracted to 3-cushion carom. Frequent contributor of many sports-related Wikipedia articles.
  4. Script error: No such module "user". - I've contributed quite a few of the Mosconi Cup bits and pieces and stubbed bios of players involved therein. The Rambling Man 08:21, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
  5. Script error: No such module "user". I always enjaoy being wikiprojects and i enjoy pool so them mixed is great. Cocoaguy 従って contribstalk 12:50, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
  6. Script error: No such module "user". Practitioner in pool. Also a fanatic in some sports and animation.
  7. Script error: No such module "user". A big snooker fan, and I create and try to improve many snooker player and snooker related articles. 17:41, 16 August 2008 (UTC)
  8. Script error: No such module "user". I create and try to improve many snooker tournament, rankings and season articles. I'm also interested in the Mosconi Cup, Cue sports at the World Games, the World Professional Billiards Championship and the Artistic Billiards World Championship.
  9. Script error: No such module "user". — creating/updating tournament articles. 16:31, 23 February 2011 (UTC)
  10. Script error: No such module "user". - Avid Billiards Player and looking to help out in any way I can as a college student. 13:48, 8 February 2012
  11. Script error: No such module "user". - Billiards player who competes in pro-am leagues and who's wife is also an avid billiards player (and recent Amateur National Championship Finalist). I was a Division Representative for APA and an official referee at the 2013 APA National Team Championships in Las Vegas, NV. I am an engineer in the U.S. who uses a physics based approach to billiards and life. Created the page American rotation and am looking forward to contributing and advancing the sport. (Eengner (talk) 18:07, 30 September 2014 (UTC))
  12. Script error: No such module "user". - Amateur pool player and amateur Wikipedia contributor. At the moment I'm working/gathering sources for the eventual creation of the Fifteen-ball pool page. I hope to be a useful contributor to this project. AbsconditumEtIncognitum (talk) 22:14, 6 March 2017 (UTC)
  13. Script error: No such module "user". - I edit all the cue sports up to GA/FA. Feel free to join me. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talkcontribs) 15:16, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
  14. Script error: No such module "user". - A member of the board and table games project with interest in cue sports, especially its history. I've recently sorted out the Wikimedia Commons categories on billiards.

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Inactive
  1. RebSkii (talk contribs) 13:56, 11 December 2006 (UTC) i'm currently working on the Asian Games pages and i'm a member of the Wikiproject:Sports Olympics. so i'll be contributing on Asiad and Olympiad related articles. i might as well make a cue sports templates for the Asian Games.
  2. Script error: No such module "user". Contributor of the first substantial content to the initial billiards stub. Pool enthusiast (strictly average player), and long time student of the history of the game and it's players.
  3. Script error: No such module "user". I have a family member who is a pool and billiards promoter/event marketer/enthusiast/salesman, and also I find cue sports fun and interesting
  4. Script error: No such module "user". Transcriptionist and American pool enthusiast, familiarity with the evolution of pocket billiards in the United States and its players, past and present.
  5. Script error: No such module "user". trick shot pool player.
  6. Script error: No such module "user". Lifelong student of physics and pool (the physicist's game).
  7. Script error: No such module "user". real life fanatic of many different cue sports, mainly snooker and american 9-ball but also many others.
  8. Script error: No such module "user". Want to join here really cool!
  9. Script error: No such module "user". I improve articles about Filipino pool players.

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