Talk:James Anthony Froude

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Pronunciation: Frewed or Frowed? Charles Matthews 21:06, 26 August 2005 (UTC)

"All mention of Froude is henceforth disallowed for I swear by the rood that my name's pronounced Froude".

Quote attributed to James Anthony Froude.

See JAMES ANTHONY FROUDE. A Biography, 1818-1856 Dunn, Waldo Hilary

Oceana

"Oceana (1886), the record of a tour in Australia and New Zealand, notes the prosperity of the working-classes in Adelaide at the date of his visit, when, in fact, owing to a failure in the wheatcrop, hundreds were then living on charity"

I'm cutting this out pending citation or reference of some kind. The relevant "failure in the wheatcrop" is probably referring to the catastrophic early 1880s drought in the mid north affecting marginal farmers - nothing to do with the state of the "working-classes" in Adelaide, and I'm not sure what the reference to "living on charity" is. Let's see a reference to some actual "ridicule" from the press or someone at the time, not an encyclopedia referring ambiguously to someone else ridiculing Froude.

Elizabeth Gaskell

Is there a source on the claim of Froude's inspiration for Gaskell's "North and South"? I'd like to add it to the page on "The Nemesis of Faith". Thanks. Dozenthey (talk) 23:57, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

I've removed this reference pending citation. The only source I've found so far that mentions Froude in the context of North and South explicitly denies the connection ("Mr Hale's Doubts in North and South" By: Easson, Angus; Review of English Studies: A Quarterly Journal of English Literature and the English Language, 1980 Feb; 31 (121): 30-40.) and the connection between Charlotte and Margaret Hale doesn't make much sense anyway, since Froude and Charlotte didn't meet until after he left the church. However, if anyone has a reference that makes the connection, please add it. Dozenthey (talk) 01:30, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Revision Plans

I'm going to start making some major revisions for this page. I'm more familiar with his early life and the religious controversy (and reading up on the Carlyle business) than with his later historical work, so anyone who knows more about that, your help would be appreciated. I've broken the article up into biographical sections; I'll start by expanding Early Life, Religious Controversy, and Carlyle Controversy. The rest of the article is lumped together as "Historian", that maybe could use some further division. That section currently contains way too much unsourced analysis; I think biography should be separated from a distinct section for Analysis or Criticism, which will need plenty of citations. I'm loathe to delete any of it, not knowing how much of it I'll be able to redo myself, but its terribly WP:OR and WP:Opinion right now. Dozenthey (talk) 23:12, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

Ultimately, I ended up rewriting the entire article, using some of the info from the old, but there was just too much opinion to work with. So far I've only been using the Herbert Paul biography and the journal articles listed under references. At some point I (or anyone else who might be interested) might go to the Dunn and Markus biographies for more information. However, once I find the citation for the one quote from History of England and a text copy of Paul to give more specific citations I think the article is complete enough for a GA nomination, so look for that soon. Dozenthey (talk) 18:46, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

Also, since the new article no longer uses the old text I've removed the Brittanica label. Dozenthey (talk) 18:47, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

Private Judgement

Despite a lack of sympathy with Froude and all concerned in the paragraph, isn't

Looking abroad (1870–1880) Rather than issue an objective and honest historical work, his book was in essence a bigoted and dishonest personal smear against Catholicism and the native Irish people that characterised the Irish in the ugliest stereotypes such as being naturally violent, lazy, rapacious, savage, ungrateful, corrupt, primitive, etc., along with false inflammatory misstatements of fact whilst spinning to the opposite what he extolled were British Protestant and British Protestant settler virtuous and superior character traits and their alleged victimisation at the hands of the Irish.

merely an personal opinion of Froude's book held by the writer ? Claverhouse (talk) 00:34, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

Yes. I've taken it out. JonChapple^Talk 06:28, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

The Irish: "more like a tribe of squalid apes than human beings"

According to this book on Tomás Ó Criomhthain, James Anthony Froude said this about the Irish. Does anybody know the context? Should this anti-Irish racism be mentioned? 79.97.154.238 (talk) 15:50, 9 December 2012 (UTC)