Talk:Alpe d'Huez

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List of winners in chronological order

The pages for Le Tour (and other similar pages, like the World Cycling Championships) list winners in chronological order, i.e., oldest to most recent. Any particular reason this page is backwards? (It confused me for a minute.) (Is there any Wikipedia guideline for this sort of thing?) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.192.188.20 (talk) 17:37, 28 July 2004

Ski hill details?

The article starts by claiming that the Alpe is a 1850 m ski hill. Looking at the image one cannot help but be confused, as it looks like the slope in the background is perhaps 150 m at most. I noticed later on the page that the BOTTOM of the hill is at 1850 m... So is the ski area of the hill actually much smaller? If so, this should be what appears in the intro! Maury

the whole mountain is a ski resort, it links up with the "Les Deux Alpes" resort
the article focusses to much on cycling and as such the pic show roads, not ski resorts
just do an image search on google for "alpe d'huez ski" ,and you'll see
it's actually one of the better places to go skiing in france, if you can go outside the common holidays...


the pic in the article is basically the top of the mountain that's allready high up in the mountain , during winter that area is white, that road isn't accessible then either —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.46.207.127 (talk) 21:38, 19 July 2006

List of times for climb

Some times from the 2004 ITT still need to be added to the table. 136 riders finished inside 48 minutes in 2004. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.132.161.145 (talk) 22:27, 26 April 2007

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Lance Armstrong's time from 2004 (37'36") makes him only the fifth fastest, highlighting how the 1990s saw notably faster ascents than other eras. [...] The increase in climbing speed in the 1990s had been attributed to the use of doping products, primarily Erythropoietin or EPO. A number of riders with sub-40' times, such as Alex Zülle, Riis, and Virenque, have confessed to using such products during this time. Strong evidence also exists that Pantani's records were also achieved with the assistance of EPO.

It seems you absolutely have always to find a reason to justify the fact that your great hero best-of-all-time Lance Armstrong is not the best even in this occasion —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.2.110.251 (talk) 17:24, 13 July 2008

I agree with above comment. Please note the autopsy results for Pantani, that excluded intense and continuative use of EPO. The "Marco Pantani" wiki page in english, has a reference to this issue. There is no proof of EPO use for Pantani. Please correct this. I'm going to inform Pantani's family of this shame. Hi. Roberto. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.241.31.125 (talk) 11:42, 3 June 2010

mistakes in the list of times

In 1997 Jan Ullrich was 20 to 24 seconds faster than Lance Armstrong in 2001. Ullrich needed 37min 48-50sec for the climb itself (measured from the actual beginning of the climb: left turn in Bourg d'Oisans hitting the first 10% ramp), Armstrong needed 38min 10-12sec from the. This can be observed and proven by the available TV recordings one can find on the internet. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.64.135.163 (talk) 15:17, 18 August 2009 (UTC)Reply

The table shows Laurent Fignon being 25 seconds faster than Pedro Delgado in 1989, yet they started the climb in the same group and they crossed the finish line together. Matteomjb (talk) 10:56, 19 June 2010 (UTC)Reply

It seems there are still some corrections to be made about the ascent times, especially about the times of 2006. Frank Schleck won the stage that year at the summit of the Alpe d'Huez. Yet, according to the table, his time of 2006 is only ranked as the 20th fastest ascent while the times of Landis and Kloden, that same year, are ranked 7th and 8th respectively. Landis is said to have made 38'34 and Kloden 38'35. It is obvious that they couldn't have crossed the line more than two minutes before the stage winner. Same thing for Pierre Rolland in 2011. Being the stage winner, he could not have arrived 36 seconds after Samuel Sanchez. Unfortunately, I don't have the statistics, but I hope someone can check for the accurate times and change the list.--Onimarou (talk) 20:30, 20 July 2012 (UTC)Reply

The times are all over the place, some of the times appear to be based on 14.454km but some of the times on the list are based on 13.8km. The current accepted distance is 13.8. it really needs to be fully updated. Dimspace (talk) 22:49, 18 July 2013 (UTC)Reply

You were right, Dimspace! I guess this list could be very accurate since they just focus on timing climbing records. They have also one for the Mont Ventoux.

http://www.climbing-records.com/2015/07/three-riders-make-it-into-alpe-dhuez.html (Alpe d´Huez)
http://www.climbing-records.com/2013/07/mont-ventoux-2013-two-new-entries-in.html (Mont Ventoux)

13.8 km in Alpe d´Huez according to Climbing Records:

Rank Time Name Year Country
1 36' 40" Marco Pantani 1995 Script error: No such module "flag".
2 36' 53" Marco Pantani 1997 Script error: No such module "flag".
3 37' 15" Marco Pantani 1994 Script error: No such module "flag".
4 37' 36" Lance Armstrong 2004 Script error: No such module "flag".
5 37' 40" Jan Ullrich 1997 Script error: No such module "flag".
6 38' 03" Lance Armstrong 2001 Script error: No such module "flag".
7 38' 04" Miguel Indurain 1995 Script error: No such module "flag".
8 38' 04" Alex Zülle 1995 Script error: No such module "flag".
9 38' 06" Bjarne Riis 1995 Script error: No such module "flag".
10 38' 20" Richard Virenque 1997 Script error: No such module "flag".
11 38' 34" Laurent Madouas 1995 Script error: No such module "flag".
12 38' 35" Floyd Landis 2006 Script error: No such module "flag".
13 38' 35" Andreas Klöden 2006 Script error: No such module "flag".
14 38' 40" Jan Ullrich 2004 Script error: No such module "flag".
15 38' 55" Richard Virenque 1994 Script error: No such module "flag".
16 39' 00" Carlos Sastre 2006 Script error: No such module "flag".
17 39' 08" Iban Mayo 2003 Script error: No such module "flag".
18 39' 12" Andreas Klöden 2004 Script error: No such module "flag".
19 39' 14" José Azevedo 2004 Script error: No such module "flag".
20 39' 14" Levi Leipheimer 2006 Script error: No such module "flag".
21 39' 20" Francesco Casagrande 1997 Script error: No such module "flag".
22 39' 21" Bjarne Riis 1997 Script error: No such module "flag".
23 39' 22" Nairo Quintana 2015 Script error: No such module "flag".
24 39' 30" Miguel Indurain 1994 Script error: No such module "flag".
25 39' 30" Luc Leblanc 1994 Script error: No such module "flag".
26 39' 30" Carlos Sastre 2008 Script error: No such module "flag".
27 39' 37" Vladimir Poulnikov 1994 Script error: No such module "flag".
28 39' 40" Giuseppe Guerini 2004 Script error: No such module "flag".
29 39' 41" Santos González 2004 Script error: No such module "flag".
30 39' 41" Vladimir Karpets 2004 Script error: No such module "flag".
31 39' 42" Fernando Escartin 1995 Script error: No such module "flag".
32 39' 42" Claudio Chiappucci 1995 Script error: No such module "flag".
33 39' 42" Paolo Lanfranchi 1995 Script error: No such module "flag".
34 39' 46" Denis Menchov 2006 Script error: No such module "flag".
35 39' 46" Michael Rasmussen 2006 Script error: No such module "flag".
36 39' 46" Pietro Caucchioli 2006 Script error: No such module "flag".
37 39' 48" Tony Rominger 1995 Script error: No such module "flag".
38 39' 48" Nairo Quintana 2013 Script error: No such module "flag".
39 39' 51" Pavel Tonkov 1995 Script error: No such module "flag".
40 39' 51" Joaquim Rodríguez 2013 Script error: No such module "flag".
41 39' 52" Beat Zberg 1997 Script error: No such module "flag".
42 39' 52" Udo Bölts 1997 Script error: No such module "flag".
43 39' 52" Roberto Conti 1997 Script error: No such module "flag".
44 39' 52" Laurent Madouas 1997 Script error: No such module "flag".
45 39' 56" David Moncoutié 2004 Script error: No such module "flag".
46 39' 57" Carlos Sastre 2004 Script error: No such module "flag".
47 39' 58" Ivan Basso 2004 Script error: No such module "flag".
48 39' 58" Stéphane Goubert 2004 Script error: No such module "flag".
49 40' 01" Piotr Ugrumov 1994 Script error: No such module "flag".
50 40' 01" Alex Zülle 1994 Script error: No such module "flag".
51 40' 02" Jan Ullrich 2001 Script error: No such module "flag".
52 40' 07" Laurent Jalabert 1995 Script error: No such module "flag".
53 40' 07" Michael Rogers (cyclist) 2004 Script error: No such module "flag".
54 40' 12" Joseba Beloki 2001 Script error: No such module "flag".
55 40' 14" Óscar Pereiro 2006 Script error: No such module "flag".
56 40' 14" Michael Rogers (cyclist) 2006 Script error: No such module "flag".
57 40' 14" Cadel Evans 2006 Script error: No such module "flag".
58 40' 14" Ivan Parra 2006 Script error: No such module "flag".
59 40' 15" Laurent Jalabert 1997 Script error: No such module "flag".
60 40' 15" Marco Fincato 1997 Script error: No such module "flag".
61 40' 18" Abraham Olano 1997 Script error: No such module "flag".
62 40' 23" Orlando Rodrigues 1997 Script error: No such module "flag".
63 40' 27" Gianni Bugno 1991 Script error: No such module "flag".
64 40' 27" Marcos Serrano 2004 Script error: No such module "flag".
65 40' 28" Miguel Indurain 1991 Script error: No such module "flag".
66 40' 29" Luc Leblanc 1991 Script error: No such module "flag".
67 40' 29" Cyril Dessel 2006 Script error: No such module "flag".
68 40' 29" Haimar Zubeldia 2006 Script error: No such module "flag".
69 40' 31" Richard Virenque 1995 Script error: No such module "flag".
70 40' 31" Ivan Gotti 1995 Script error: No such module "flag".
71 40' 32" Oscar Pereiro 2004 Script error: No such module "flag".
72 40' 32" Mikel Astarloza 2006 Script error: No such module "flag".
73 40' 33" Christophe Moreau 2001 Script error: No such module "flag".
74 40' 39" Manuel Beltran 1997 Script error: No such module "flag".
75 40' 40" José Enrique Gutiérrez 2004 Script error: No such module "flag".
76 40' 42" Alejandro Valverde 2015 Script error: No such module "flag".
77 40' 42" Christopher Froome 2015 Script error: No such module "flag".
78 40' 43" Roberto Conti 1994 Script error: No such module "flag".
79 40' 43" Oscar Pelliccioli 1994 Script error: No such module "flag".
80 40' 43" Pascal Lino 1994 Script error: No such module "flag".
81 40' 43" Fernando Escartin 1994 Script error: No such module "flag".
82 40' 43" Armand de Las Cuevas 1994 Script error: No such module "flag".
83 40' 45" Fränk Schleck 2006 Script error: No such module "flag".
84 40' 46" Georg Totschnig 2004 Script error: No such module "flag".
85 40' 49" Johan Bruyneel 1995 Script error: No such module "flag".
86 40' 49" Sandy Casar 2004 Script error: No such module "flag".
87 40' 49" Gilberto Simoni 2006 Script error: No such module "flag".
88 40' 53" Alexander Vinokourov 2003 Script error: No such module "flag".
89 40' 54" Richie Porte 2013 Script error: No such module "flag".
90 40' 54" Christopher Froome 2013 Script error: No such module "flag".
91 40' 56" Floyd Landis 2004 Script error: No such module "flag".
92 40' 56" Damiano Cunego 2006 Script error: No such module "flag".
93 40' 57" Oscar Sevilla 2001 Script error: No such module "flag".
94 40' 57" Mikel Astarloza 2004 Script error: No such module "flag".
95 40' 57" Juan Miguel Mercado 2004 Script error: No such module "flag".
96 40' 58" Alejandro Valverde 2013 Script error: No such module "flag".
97 41' 00" Christophe Moreau 2004 Script error: No such module "flag".
98 41' 02" Jean-Francois Bernard 1991 Script error: No such module "flag".
99 41' 03" Gilberto Simoni 2004 Script error: No such module "flag".
100 41' 07" Fernando Escartin 1997 Script error: No such module "flag".

Maybe the Wikipedians do some research if this is the 100% accurate list.--Niten Doraku (talk) 15:02, 23 December 2017 (UTC)Reply