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==Contradiction==
The first part of this article states that jerry-rig was named after "jerry cans" in WWII (jerry being slang for German), right underneath it says that the WWII explanation is a false etymology. The article should be more internally consistent with its views. --[[Special:Contributions/99.150.241.219|99.150.241.219]] ([[User talk:99.150.241.219|talk]]) 19:37, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

==Etymology source==
I've removed the cryptic reference to [[Walter William Skeat|Skeat]] in [[Jury rig]] because it doesn't provide any concrete information. If users [[User:Palapala|Palapala]] or [[User:Prosfilaes|Prosfilaes]] (who added or refined the info), or anyone else for that matter, know in what work Skeat (first) provides this argument, please add it back with an appropriate citation in the '''References''' section. Thank you. &mdash; [[User:Jeffq|Jeff Q]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Jeffq|(talk)]] 01:11, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)

== Tiger Tanks? ==

Maybe panzers in general, but the Tiger tanks, to the best of my knowledge, were Soviet T-34s. You'd expect that with the Soviets also on the scene and also fighting the Germans, that the allied soliders would be taught how to tell the difference between a Nazi and Soviet operated T-34... So I'm changing it to say "Panzer" to generalize it, as the soldiers probably would've known that the Tigers weren't German made.

: Tigers were T-34s? I don't think so! In any case, this whole part of the article is a red herring. "Jerry-built" is a separate expression whose history predates the use of the term Jerry for Germans, as the article cited in the reference points out. The use of "jerry-rigged" (including at least twice in the last few months by the otherwise well-edited New Yorker magazine) clearly stems from confusion between the two terms. [[User:Skookumpete|Skookumpete]] 22:46, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

::Jerry-rigged is simply wrong and should be removed from this article.  Should Doggy Dog (Dog Eat Dog) and French (Fringe) benefits get some mention? ;-)

::And no, Tiger tanks have no similiary to Soviet T-34s other than the fact they are tanks.
[[User:Jimberg98|Jimberg98]] 15:01, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

== Should we change the word "Often"? ==

The article says 'Often bastardized in English to "nigger rig" (offensive)'.  I'd hardly say that this is "often" given that I've never heard this bastardization in my life.  Also, the "in English" part is sort of weak -- what other language are we going to be talking about in the English version of this page, Dutch?  My recommendation is that this portion be either dropped entirely, or qualified like 'Sometimes bastardized in the southern United States as...'.  I would change it myself, but I am a complete wiki-newbie and thought it might be more polite to post my comment here instead.

:I agree.  I don't see how this particular portion of the entry is in the best interest of the article.  [[User:66.253.36.140|66.253.36.140]] 00:58, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

I disagree. I've heard the term used by several people and I've used it as well. The term is meant as a joke, so no need to get uppity and politically correct. Infact, suggesting that the term is from the "southern United States" is tantamount to the reason the next guy feels 'nigger rig' as "this particular portion of the entry is in the best interest of the article."

: If it's useful information (and I don't think it is; this is not a dictionary, after all), it belongs in the "Other forms" section along with "Jimmy rig". [[User:Skookumpete|Skookumpete]] 22:44, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

:::The use of the "N' word is never a joke. There is never a reason to use it. What has occurred in the past, or has occurred in The South, is not a reason to make it OK. We should be 160 years past its use. [[User:Flight Risk|Flight Risk]] ([[User talk:Flight Risk|talk]]) 06:00, 8 February 2025 (UTC)

What is the author trying to say when he uses the word 'attested' in the section discussed herein?  <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/68.112.231.60|68.112.231.60]] ([[User talk:68.112.231.60|talk]]) 02:11, 10 May 2011 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:: and when did ‘infact’ become one word? Is it like ‘alot’ - ‘I write poor quality prose in Wikipedia alot’ ?  <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/14.203.82.95|14.203.82.95]] ([[User talk:14.203.82.95#top|talk]]) 07:09, 30 May 2022 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

This is a common term in the south.  It is offensive, yes, but I believe that it should be noted, as history isn't always pretty and who are we to edit history and potentially erase it from history by making it so taboo that it can't even be an entry in an "encyclopedia"  <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/68.235.53.246|68.235.53.246]] ([[User talk:68.235.53.246#top|talk]]) 03:23, 1 December 2016 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

== Appropriateness of [[racial epithet]]s in an encyclopedia ==

During recent work on the article, I've refactored what is now the "Similar phrases" section.  If you look at the article history there's been quite a few reverts regarding the inclusion the term "nigger-rig" in the article.  I completely understand why people reading the article might have a gut reaction and remove it; I too find it offensive.   However, given WP [[Wikipedia:Profanity|guidelines on offensive speech]] and the term's apparent use in the real world in contexts similar to "jury-rig" or "jerry-rig" it does seem to warrant inclusion on the grounds of relevance.

My feeling is that having a well-written, properly referenced statement about the phrase is the best way to stabilize the article.  I have made a first pass at this, but feel free to discuss and improve.  Someone with a reputable slang dictionary could help in this regard... --[[:User:Dfred|Dfred]] <small>([[User talk:Dfred|talk]])</small> 01:05, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

Agreed.  [[User:Stuston|stuston]] ([[User talk:Stuston|talk]]) 22:58, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

While I understand why the term "nigger rig" would be included in this article, an also why people would want it removed, most usually by knee jerk reaction, my reason for believing it should be removed is different. Frankly, just because the term may exist in some slang somewhere, I believe we can all agree that it is an inappropriate term, which is considered offensive by many, and is incredibly insensitive. I fail to see the relevance the term carries that it be included in an article about a legitimate English phrase.
[[User:Iamjamieq|Iamjamieq]] ([[User talk:Iamjamieq|talk]]) 17:15, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

:If we're going to include "nigger-rigged", perhaps we should also include "Jap shit" and "Beaner crap"? Come on, folks, there are ENDLESS permutations. The article needs to stay on focus. [[User:Proxy User|Proxy User]] ([[User talk:Proxy User|talk]]) 23:52, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

::Unfortunately, "nigger rig" is a very common permutation of "jury rig". I don't like the term any more than you, but the fact that it is commonly used is unquestionable. It is not the place of an encyclopedia or any reference publication to sanitize language or exclude facts simply to avoid offense. I would hope that someday the term becomes so uncommon that there is no need to include such an archaic and offensive slang permutation of "jury rig" in this entry, but unfortunately that time has not come yet, and I think the term "nigger rig" should be included in this article. Simply ignoring the existence of racist terms in a Wikipedia does not do anything to reduce their usage. The exclusion of this information may be with the best of intentions, but it is ultimately misguided. --[[User:SmashTheGlass|SmashTheGlass]] ([[User talk:SmashTheGlass|talk]]) 14:29, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

I was very surprised not to find nigger rigged.  Of the alternative terms mentioned, it is the only one I heard growing up in Indiana in the 50s and 60s and it was in very common usage.  Somewhere in 70s I started hearing jury rigged and figured it was a new term coined or uncovered to avoid offense.  I don't care to know all the decision processes within WP.  I am just sharing my surprise.  I think I heard jury rigged and jerry rigged appear about the same time and the choice between those two led me here.

This entire website is a joke as long as that stays up. lets be honest. ESPECIALLY without a reference. If you have to think about it that long, racist or otherwise, it needs a reference. The best way to "stabilize" the article is for wikipedia to show some common sense and delete it.  <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/71.93.160.209|71.93.160.209]] ([[User talk:71.93.160.209|talk]]) 08:36, 23 February 2010 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

I live in Texas. In my entire life, I have never once heard the phrase "jury rigged." Every single person has said "nigger rigged."


I find it interesting that jerry rigged is used and nigger rigged is not since the later has a wide spread usage. I'm sorry for the insensitive people who keep reverting it but the history of racism won't disappear because you delete it off wiki. Though undoubtedly a lesser ethnic slur jerry is none the less an ethnic slur.It would be inappropriate to name name it and other widely used versions.[[Special:Contributions/70.15.191.119|70.15.191.119]] ([[User talk:70.15.191.119|talk]]) 10:22, 20 February 2011 (UTC)

I have to concur with some of the previous comments. I live in the St. Louis area, and by far the most common form of this expression is "nigger rigged". On the few occasions I've heard somebody actually use the phrase "jerry rigged", it always seemed like it was a forced politically correct euphemism for the decidedly non-politically correct alternative.  Of course, I'm not condoning this practice, nor am I trying to promote the usage of this term in any way -- I'm just commenting on its widespread use.  In fact, until I read this article, I always assumed that "jerry rigged" was some sort of recently coined replacement for the other phrase. I had no idea that jury/jerry predated the other. -- [[User:Big Brother 1984|Big Brother 1984]] ([[User talk:Big Brother 1984|talk]]) 18:31, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

The phrase "nigger rig" does not belong in this article, but not because it is simply racist but because it is not appropriate in the scope of this article. The inclusion of a word/phrase in the "Similar Phrases" section should depend on whether said phrase has the same meaning. For instance the term "MacGyver" is appropriate because "to MacGyver something" implies using materials in ways that they were not intended much like "Jury Rigging". The term "nigger rig" however implies something completely different, i.e. shoddy workmanship and not simply using materials in unexpected ways. Simply put "Jury Rigging" does not imply any judgement on the final product, whereas the term "nigger rig" most certainly has negative connotations BECAUSE it uses a racial epithet. I'm not saying the term "nigger rig" has no place on wikipedia, but it would be more appropriate on a page discussing racial insults. JCL 16:52, 9 April 2013 (UTC)

I have to disagree with above, it doesn't necessarily mean that.  I've heard "jerry rigged" to mean shoddy work as well.  I think it should be included, but needs some solid references so it can stick.  [[User:NezZario|nezZario]] ([[User talk:NezZario|talk]]) 21:23, 1 July 2013 (UTC)
:Adding in a link to [http://www.google.com/trends/explore?q=%22jury+rigged%22%2C%22jerry+rigged%22%2C%22nigger+rigged%22#q=%22jury%20rigged%22%2C%20%22jerry%20rigged%22%2C%20%22nigger%20rigged%22&cmpt=q Google Trends] to help show which phrases are most common. It appears that while some of you may live in places where something other than "jerry rig" is common or once was, nationally only "jerry rig" registers at all according to Google.--[[Special:Contributions/173.219.163.211|173.219.163.211]] ([[User talk:173.219.163.211|talk]]) 18:35, 18 November 2013 (UTC)

I grew up outside of Philly. I always used the term 'Jerry-rigged', and I hadn't realized that there was a racist version of it at all. What drew me to this page was being called out by my significant other who 'informed me' that 'jerry-rig' was an offensive term. For me, having a history of the term as well as reference to the racial slang version was useful, and what I was looking for. Has anyone checked the OED for the term 'nigger-rig' in order to determine etymological origins? As a side note, I agree with having solid references surrounding the use of this. [[User:Kitty4777|Kitty4777]] ([[User talk:Kitty4777|talk]]) 01:39, 14 May 2015 (UTC)

I've copied the following comment here, from {{IPuser|46.254.200.2}} who apparently couldn't find the talk page! [[User:Kendall-K1|Kendall-K1]] ([[User talk:Kendall-K1|talk]]) 14:50, 24 August 2016 (UTC)

IVANMICHAELOVITCH: I was using the work computer which, it transpires, has a patronisation filter on it.  

:IVANMICHAELOVITCH:  Tried to, couldn't find it.  I could add a long list of racial slurs relating to poor workmanship, plus a couple of misogynist ones, plus at least one relating to homophobia. I think either we include all of the offensive terms or lose the anti-African American one.  Since I don't have time to add all of the other abuse, plus references & cultural cross-links, I've deleted the Afro-Engineering one.

Another genuine consideration here is the extent to which Wikipedia is meant to represent a world view.  Nigger rig may well be / have been a common epithet in the Southern USA but I'd never heard it in the UK.  Heard "Paddy-Rig", meaning something done by an Irishman; and several relating to Indian workmanship.  As I said in my note though, we should either include a full list - which would rapidly turn into a list of abuse stereotypes - or none.  "Jerry-Rig" BTW is a corruption of "Jury Rig", not an anti-German stereotype.  The German stereotype is rather the reverse.  "Jury" rig is from the use of Jury in old English to mean a temporary or expedient thing. <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/46.254.200.2|46.254.200.2]] ([[User talk:46.254.200.2#top|talk]]) 06:39, 1 September 2016</small>

I support adding "nigger-rig" as a cross-reference if not even it's own article. First, it is as appropriate to include racial epithets in an encyclopedia as it is to include them in the dictionary. Such is reflected by several of the major encyclopedia brands which are better respected than is Wikipedia. For that matter I don't see such terms being struck by Miriam-Webster any time in the near-future to boot. Secondly the whole world-view issue with regard to this is moot. The Southern USA is part of the World, ergo it's cultural references are just as important to the whole "World-view" thing as those derived from the UK or anywhere else.The World-view policy is therefore meant and intended to be applied to the article in the sense of the macro-sense not the micro-sense. Thirdly, whether we like it or not, the term "nigger-rig" in and of itself has historical cultural significance and reference in the United States as a component of the presence of a political ideology which was particularly popular in the 1950s-1970s, if not anything else. Otherwise, we have to delete the entire article on the word "Nigger" because it is racially offensive. It is not responsible to attempt to use policy in intellectually dishonest ways to justify striking things from articles just because we don't like them. Such is capricious and not very objective- ergo it does not set an appropriate encyclopedic tone and is wholly irresponsible as well as being profoundly intellectually dishonest to others. [[Special:Contributions/2605:A601:4515:F400:88AA:39D5:4291:E94C|2605:A601:4515:F400:88AA:39D5:4291:E94C]] ([[User talk:2605:A601:4515:F400:88AA:39D5:4291:E94C|talk]]) 07:11, 18 April 2019 (UTC)
:The short version is [[WP:NOTCENSORED]]. We have an encyclopedic purpose in recording variant usage (as well as in noting when some of it is likely to be offensive, at least when used by persons who are not in-group). <span style="white-space:nowrap;font-family:'Trebuchet MS'"> — [[User:SMcCandlish|'''SMcCandlish''']] [[User talk:SMcCandlish|☏]] [[Special:Contributions/SMcCandlish|¢]] 😼 </span> 04:53, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

== Additional information == Trivia section? ==

I've removed the following recently added section from the article on same grounds one would remove a Trivia section: [[WP:TRIVIA]]...  My specific comments are included inline below.

:'''==Additional Information=='''
:*"[[Breadboard]]" or "Breadboarding", from the practise of inventors, usually experimenting with electrics or electronics, of fixing componenets to a flat surface of (non-conductive) wood similar to an actual breadboard until such time as the device can be perfected to the point of application, by which time the mechanism may be given some type of permanent housing, such as a radio case or purpose built shell. The term is now used in the sense of 'knocking together' components into a working machine. Plastic Breadboards are now commercially available, allowing inventors and engineers to construct projects with ease, before mass producing their devices, or simply to make a professional job of a single project. 

::''This information about breadboarding is probably more appropriate in the [[mock-up]] or [[prototype]] articles rather than here.''

:*Cartoonist [[Heath Robinson]] and his American counterpart [[Rube Goldberg]] are both worthy of mention, as their names have also entered the popular lexicon; Both men devised impractical, fantastic machinary designed to do unlikely tasks, which appeared to be home built contraptions of drain pipes, knotted string etc (rather like the board of the  [[Mouse Trap (board game)|''Mouse Trap'' (board game)]], actually inspired by Goldberg's work) rather than professional constructions. They are recalled in such phrases as "It's a bit Heath Robinson, but it'll do for now".

::''My sense is that these Robinson/Golberg solutions are more [[jerry-built]] than jury-rigged; often being unnecessarily complex and bordering on ridiculous.  Jury rigging indicates a solution to an unexpected or temporary problem.  It may be reasonable to add these as items in the "Similar phrases" section.  References would be appreciated.''

:*MacGuyver. The TV show [[MacGuyver]], whose weekly plots revolved around the eponymous hero using handy materials (as in the [[A-Team]]) and a Swiss Army knife to think up practical solutions to deadly problems, has provided the post-modern term 'To Macguyver' a gadget/repair/device etc.

::''[[MacGyver#MacGyverisms|MacGyverisms]] are referenced in the "See also" section.  His makeshift and often elegant (if far-fetched) solutions to problems do seem to fit with jury rigging, perhaps something could be worked into the lead about modern examples of jury rigging.

--[[:User:Dfred|Dfred]] <small>([[User talk:Dfred|talk]])</small> 03:21, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

==Who Watches the Watchman ?==

With apologies to all offended parties, I have returned the edits to their rightful place; The article is about the term 'Jury Rig'and is not about interesting knots; I understand how it feels when you have an article site just the way you want it (I really do !) and somebody else adds to "Your" article- when one feels himself to be its 'watchman', as it were. It can be irritating. I understand. However, given the true nature of the article, ie. the meaning of a word and its relevant variations on the same theme, the information is valid and belongs in place, due to its correct context. It is not for us to judge or decide what is or is not relevant because we "Feel" it does not enhance "our" site. The information is a useful addition to the entry, and should stay for that reason. Again, apologies to those who feel offended. It is not my intention to tread on toes or upset those of a sensitive nature.

[[User:STEALTH RANGER|STEALTH RANGER]] 09:10, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

: It's about the concept of jury rig; adding other stuff bloats the article. It is for every editor to try and reach consensus on what enhances or detracts from the page, and stuff that doesn't enhance the page shouldn't be added.--[[User:Prosfilaes|Prosfilaes]] 14:23, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

We feel it does in fact add to an overall understanding of the term, and allow people the opportunity to make a comparative examination of similar and relevant terms in order to expand said understanding. For example, somebody wondering about "jerry built" may find their way to the site and realise that "jury rig" isn't the same thing. Similarly, people reading the article may find the "Heath Robinson/Rube Goldberg" reference explanatory, as a term often heard but never understood until pointed in the right direction. When things are linked- unless said link is completely tenuous- these connections deserve to be shown; and Wiki readers desrve to be informed. Its  removal demonstrates the worst kind of closed mind "If I didn't say it, it can't be true! stop spoiling my page!!". Such an outlook increases the criticism of Wiki pages as being a 'Fanboy Club' wherein the writers will cling to their opinions regardless of the input of others. The inability to expand and evolve will ulitimately bring about it's own extinction. A tragedy in the making. Consider this, before denying readers the chance to make connections and expand their own understanding, please.

[[User:STEALTH RANGER|STEALTH RANGER]] 10:34, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

: If they wonder about "jerry built", they'll go to that page. Please read [[WP:AGF]]; your arguments are discouraging people from trying to achieve consensus with you. I didn't write this page, but I still think your changes are not an improvement.--[[User:Prosfilaes|Prosfilaes]] 10:54, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

::I'm traveling at the moment and my computer access is somewhat limited, but I'll chime-in here since, apparently, I'm the alleged watchman/fanboy.  :)   STEALTH RANGER, I'm sorry I may have caused offense by my move of your work from the article to the talk page.  Mainly I was acting on a sense that "general information" sections (e.g. Trivia, Additional information, etc.) rarely are good for articles.  Take a look at the WP guidline on [[WP:TRIVIA|why Trivia sections should be avoided]].  The information you added is informative and potentially useful, but I just thought some of it is probably more appropriate for articles closer to the subject matter.  Since interlinking is so easy, I think it really does make sense to try to keep articles reasonably well-focused on their specific subject. I moved the information here to spur a discussion regarding which information does make sense to integrate into the rest of the article.  I still stand by my comments above regarding the specifics.  I think some of it can be integrated, but some of the links probably belong in the "See also" section.   As I said above, the lead of the article needs expansion and clarification.  I think that brief allusions to other articles and similar concepts could help put this article in context.  And, as you said, it might help users who have arrived on this page but are really looking for something related.  --[[:User:Dfred|Dfred]] <small>([[User talk:Dfred|talk]])</small> 14:17, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

== Jerry Rigging ==
I don't feel like looking up a good source to cite, but I'm pretty sure the "Jerry Rigging" variation on this term actually originates from a skit Jerry Lewis would do, named after himself, where he would jury rig various things in comic fashion. --[[User:TheCynic|TheCynic]] 20:44, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

Two paragraphs that purport to trace the derivation of "Jerry Rigging" (last paragraph under '''Rigging''' and the third item under '''Similar phrases''') seem to be in conflict: They offer similar derivations, and one of them terms the history "folk etymology" while the other does not. Neither paragraph cites any sources. --[[Special:Contributions/96.251.93.152|96.251.93.152]] ([[User talk:96.251.93.152|talk]]) 01:06, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

==Jheri-rigged==

The cited source (Word Court) for "jerry-rigged" being a misspelling of the alleged racial slur "jheri-rigged" actually makes no mention of such a misspelling, or of any such term as "jheri-rigged." It does mention the possibility of "jerry-rigged" being a WWII-era slur against Germans, but dismisses this as etymologically unfounded (the phrase actually appears to be merely a conflation of "jury-rigged" and "jerry-built," a term that well pre-dates the World Wars). So I'm going to remove the part about "jerry-rigged" being any kind of slur unless someone can provide an actual citation for the usage. (the term "n*****-rigged" is another question, and one I'm not proposing to address here).[[Special:Contributions/65.87.176.9|65.87.176.9]] ([[User talk:65.87.176.9|talk]]) 13:20, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

Ahh, I see that someone actually replaced the originally correct summary of the Word Court citation with the sentence about "jheri-rigged" without providing a new citation, and am reverting that edit.[[Special:Contributions/65.87.176.9|65.87.176.9]] ([[User talk:65.87.176.9|talk]]) 15:35, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

== Afro Engineering ==

I changed the wording from "slightly more polite/politically correct version.." to "sarcastically polite/politically correct version..."  because "afro-engineering" is clearly as offensive as "n***er rig", as the meaning is preserved, despite the language change...though I don't know if the term needs to be included at all. It seems this section on racial slangs was added not to provide a wider understanding of the concept, but by an individual who found it humourous in a way more appropriate to urbandictionary.com  <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/72.141.61.254|72.141.61.254]] ([[User talk:72.141.61.254|talk]]) 05:23, 2 March 2009 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

Someone removed that definition.  I restored it in its full version, but tried to be as fair and as impartial as possible. [[User:OldsVistaCruiser|Bill]] ([[User talk:OldsVistaCruiser|talk]]) 21:00, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

:I removed the unnecessary racist term and it revered accidentally.  If I see it again, I'll remove it again. [[User:MisterJayEm|'''<span style="background:#003348;color:#da151e;border: 1px solid #000">&nbsp;Mr&nbsp;</span>''']][[User talk:MisterJayEm|<span style="background:#da151e;color:#003348;border:1px solid #000;">'''JM'''&nbsp;</span>]] 02:44, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

:: I put a comment in here but totally missed the whole racial epithet discussion above and removed it.  Doh.  [[User:NezZario|nezZario]] ([[User talk:NezZario|talk]]) 21:21, 1 July 2013 (UTC)

"Connotations" suggests that the terms are not literally and inherently racist. This should be changed because it is weaselly and inaccurate. Like-wise with "euphemistic". "Afro-engineering", as the above commenter has said, is clearly as offensive as "nigger".  It is not "fair" and "impartial" but a weaselly way to down-play its offensiveness.  I have not changed it myself because I am not logged in.
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== Jury-rig vs. Jerry-rig ? ==

I would like more information about the differences and similarities between the meanings of the two. --[[User:TiagoTiago|TiagoTiago]] ([[User talk:TiagoTiago|talk]]) 07:15, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

:The difference is that "jury-rig" is right and "jerry-rig" is wrong. [[User:WP Ludicer|WP Ludicer]] ([[User talk:WP Ludicer|talk]]) 22:47, 5 December 2018 (UTC)
:: Agreed :-D. - [[User:Onanoff|Onanoff]] ([[User talk:Onanoff|talk]]) 20:24, 21 March 2020 (UTC)
:::[[WP:NOT#FORUM|Wikipedia is not a forum]] for soapboxing about [[Linguistic prescription|prescriptivist]] notions of "right" and "wrong" English. There is no universal authority on English usage; anything in common-parlance use isn't "wrong", it's simply divergent from an earlier-established usage, and ''jerry rig'' is found in most dictionaries of English as a variant of ''jury rig''. <span style="white-space:nowrap;font-family:'Trebuchet MS'"> — [[User:SMcCandlish|'''SMcCandlish''']] [[User talk:SMcCandlish|☏]] [[Special:Contributions/SMcCandlish|¢]] 😼 </span> 04:51, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

== Jury Rigged and othr slang or inappropriate terms ==

Acutally all of the terms mentioned above have been common place and it is time to reitre them. The new term from 2010 forward is "Presidential Solution"  <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/24.117.204.253|24.117.204.253]] ([[User talk:24.117.204.253|talk]]) 14:53, 4 October 2011 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

== Similar Phrases ==

I removed 'gundecking' from the list, because the linked article (and everything else I've ever seen in 31 years of Navy service) indicate that gun decking is falsifying records (generally to claim that you did work you didn't actually do).  It is certainly possible that somewhere, some time, someone (maybe even me) has used gundecking to mean repairs of a jury-rigged nature, but without a reference to such, I can't see including it in a list of similar terms, since faking records really isn't very similar to making something work with materials at hand.
[[User:CruiserBob|CruiserBob]] ([[User talk:CruiserBob|talk]]) 17:14, 19 February 2015 (UTC)

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[[:Jury rig]] → {{no redirect|Jury rigging}} – Don't we usually have titles in the gerund form? ([[Running]], not [[Run]]) [[User:Red Slash|<span style="color:#FF4131;">Red </span>]][[User talk:Red Slash|<b style="color:#460121;">Slash</b>]] 04:30, 19 April 2015 (UTC)
*'''Support''' far better title.  [[User:GregKaye|Greg]][[User talk:GregKaye|Kaye]] 09:48, 19 April 2015 (UTC)
*'''Support'''. The current title is awkward and the new one is better. It's also the more common name. [[User:Calidum|Calidum]] [[User talk:Calidum|T]]&#124;[[Special:Contributions/Calidum|C]] 16:36, 19 April 2015 (UTC)
*'''Support''' better title.  [[User:Reify-tech|Reify-tech]] ([[User talk:Reify-tech|talk]]) 22:59, 19 April 2015 (UTC)
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== Afro engineering merge ==
[[Special:Permalink/752398008|Afro engineering]] was [[Special:Diff/759212053|redirected]] and {{Diff|Jury rigging|759230663|758990392|merged|diffonly=yes}} here per [[Talk:Afro engineering#RfC: Where should the content of afro engineering be merged to?]].<small>—&nbsp;[[User:Godsy|<span style="color:MediumSpringGreen;">Godsy</span>]]<sup>&nbsp;([[User_talk:Godsy|TALK]]</sup><sub style="margin-left:-2.0ex;">[[Special:Contributions/Godsy|<span style="color:Goldenrod;">CONT</span>]])</sub></small> 23:59, 9 January 2017 (UTC)

== Is it worth adding bodge job? ==
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Bodge job is a British English term somewhat similar to jury rigging. It implies something done quickly with whatever was on hand at the time and like jury rigging it's not intended to be a permanent solution but will (hopefully) do until you can make a better version. Growing up in the south of England I often heard the two used interchangeably, and I tend to use bodge job first but substitute jury rigged when talking to an international audience because I'm aware the term isn't as well known in other countries. I didn't want to add it without discussion because I feel like it's borderline trivia, but also equally notable to other similar terms only used in one country, and it might help summarise the article for British speakers not family with the term jury rigged. [[Special:Contributions/86.54.181.194|86.54.181.194]] ([[User talk:86.54.181.194|talk]]) 09:57, 19 October 2018 (UTC)
:Already covered now in the section on similar terms. <span style="white-space:nowrap;font-family:'Trebuchet MS'"> — [[User:SMcCandlish|'''SMcCandlish''']] [[User talk:SMcCandlish|☏]] [[Special:Contributions/SMcCandlish|¢]] 😼 </span> 04:47, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

== Origins of Jerry Rigged ==

Please consider some aspects of "Jerry rigged" as an ethnic slur, too.  I think you will find that Jerry rigged was popularized, after the defeat of Germany in WWII, relating to the slang "Gerry" used to describe Germans.  After the war, "Ger-ry rigged" would have referred to an effort with ineffective outcome.

[[Special:Contributions/66.161.34.129|66.161.34.129]] ([[User talk:66.161.34.129|talk]]) 12:57, 24 January 2019 (UTC)

:It just sounds like a conflation of "jerry-built" and "jury-rigged" to me. In any case, sources are required to document a trend or at least make the claim that one existed. [[User:WP Ludicer|WP Ludicer]] ([[User talk:WP Ludicer|talk]]) 18:36, 13 September 2019 (UTC)
::The Germans/Jerries idea is a fairly common [[folk etymology]] of this; I've encountered it numerous times, and it should probably be covered with some sources. <span style="white-space:nowrap;font-family:'Trebuchet MS'"> — [[User:SMcCandlish|'''SMcCandlish''']] [[User talk:SMcCandlish|☏]] [[Special:Contributions/SMcCandlish|¢]] 😼 </span> 04:36, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

== This should be 'Jury rig' ==

Why is this article 'Jury rigging' and not 'Jury rig'?<br>
Surely the plain verb is the key term here?  Ngram [https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=jury+rig%2Cjury+rigged%2C+jury+rigging&year_start=1800&year_end=2008&corpus=15&smoothing=3&share=&direct_url=t1%3B%2Cjury%20rig%3B%2Cc0%3B.t1%3B%2Cjury%20rigged%3B%2Cc0%3B.t1%3B%2Cjury%20rigging%3B%2Cc0 makes clear] that the plain form 'jury rig' is by far the most common.  (though interestingly, back in the 19th century, 'jury rigged' and 'jury rigging' each had prominence.)  In any case, as a noun, 'jury rig' historically and currently exceeds 'jury rigging', but the action (verb) is key. - [[User:Onanoff|Onanoff]] ([[User talk:Onanoff|talk]]) 20:36, 21 March 2020 (UTC)
: What a strange comment. [[WP:NOT|Wikipedia is not a dictionary]]. Our articles are rarely about words as such; this article in particular is about jury rigging, not the verb 'to jury rig'. In any case, if it's most appropriate to use a verb as a title, we use it in the gerund form so it's syntactically a noun. See [[WP:NOUN]] for the relevant guideline. [[User:Hairy Dude|Hairy Dude]] ([[User talk:Hairy Dude|talk]]) 18:01, 23 May 2020 (UTC)
::Not a "strange" comment, since [[WP:CONCISE]] is a policy and just thinking about it in isolation instead of in concert with all the other policies and guidelines might suggest the shorter title. But Hairy Dude is correct about gerunds. E.g., we have an article at [[Skiing]] not at "[[Ski (verb)]]" ([[Ski]] being an article on the sporting-goods item). See also all the other articles on activites of various sorts (good, bad, or indifferent) that have a verbal base to their name, like [[Rock climbing]] and [[Stalking]] and so on. Sometimes these are better named and focused on those who do the activity, like [[Hacker]], but "jury-rigger" isn't really that sort of term. <span style="white-space:nowrap;font-family:'Trebuchet MS'"> — [[User:SMcCandlish|'''SMcCandlish''']] [[User talk:SMcCandlish|☏]] [[Special:Contributions/SMcCandlish|¢]] 😼 </span> 04:46, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

== Move non-nautical stuff? ==

This this article seems to be trying rather hard to stick to the nautical meaning and origins of this term, I wonder whether the general-concept material, including all the equivalent-term coverage, and a lot of the see-also items, couldn't be moved to [[Kludge]], and have that serve as the "central hub" on WP for the concept, instead of it being shoehorned into the [[Jury rigging]] article. Various redirects like [[Afro engineering]] would also need re-targeting, as well as cross-references to the terminology section from other articles (in "See also" and otherwise), like {{lang|hi-Latn|[[Jugaad]]}}, etc. <span style="white-space:nowrap;font-family:'Trebuchet MS'"> — [[User:SMcCandlish|'''SMcCandlish''']] [[User talk:SMcCandlish|☏]] [[Special:Contributions/SMcCandlish|¢]] 😼 </span> 04:34, 21 December 2023 (UTC)
:The term ''jury rigging'' does not have the same negative connotations as ''kludge''; a patch can be elegant, but a kludge never is. -- [[User:Chatul|Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz Username:Chatul]] ([[User talk:Chatul|talk]]) 14:06, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

== WP:NOTDICTIONARY ==

The etymology section and the similar terms section both violate [[WP:NOTDICTIONARY]]. Most of the see also section also violates it. See [[WP:DICDEF]] and [[WP:ISAWORDFOR]]. This article does not meet [[WP:WORDISSUBJECT]]. The non-encyclopedic content should be moved to Wiktionary and be referenced with [[WP:POINTWIKT]]. [[Special:Contributions/184.146.170.127|184.146.170.127]] ([[User talk:184.146.170.127|talk]]) 08:38, 23 May 2024 (UTC)\

== Getting back to Jury Rigging ==

I could go on and on about why the 'n' word doesn't belong here, but back to Jury Rigging... This article seems to imply that jury rigging only (or primarily) applies to sailing, and in particular the rigging on a sailing ship. Does this mean we can't jury rig an engine on a powered watercraft? Can we jury rig a leaky valve on a submarine? And going way off-script, can we jury rig a broken chair in our home with bailing wire and/or duct tape? Or does making temporary makeshift repairs with only the tools and materials at hand to things not related to a sailing ship need to be called jerry rigged? However other dictionaries imply that jury rigged repairs are adequate, while jerry rigged repairs are inferior.[[User:Flight Risk|Flight Risk]] ([[User talk:Flight Risk|talk]]) 07:21, 8 February 2025 (UTC)