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  • Closed as Promoted - Cam (Chat) 20:45, 25 December 2008 (UTC)

Jagdgeschwader 1 (World War II)

This article has received the Historically Good Article Status. In my belief, it has enough material and citations to withstand A Class review. I'd appreciate the time of any person willing to give it a A class Review. Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Perseus71 (talk • contribs) 19:05, 22 December 2008

  • Support This has come a very long way indeed since its peer review. Well done, Perseus, --ROGER DAVIES talk 19:42, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
  • Support. Yes, we're at A-class status now, methinks. AGK 20:29, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

Comments from Lazulilasher Excellent, excellent article; I very much enjoyed this read. I have a few suggestions which I hope that you find helpful. Most regard the prose/structure of the article. Here are some suggestions from the lead:

  • Watch colloquial language: JG 1 was a pioneer wing in more ways than one.' Then explain the several reasons. No need for "in more ways than one"; sounds slightly like an advertisement.
  • Redundancies: "It was the first wing to use the Heinkel He 162 jet fighter, and was also the first wing to try out 'aerial bombing' techniques against the USAAF heavy bomber formations." Also, further, moreover, etc can probably be removed from most of the article. And: "try out"? Is there a more precise word?
  • Again, we can cut down on some words here: "He was a highly decorated expert pilot (Experten) with 127 kills to his name. Several pilots associated with this unit received honors such as the Knight's Cross of the Iron Cross and other honors. Several..."
  • "The end tally of the wing was close to 700 enemy aircraft shot down"
  • "Ironically, it was the only wing that surrendered its Heinkel He 162 jet fighters to the Allies at the end of the war." Ironically? How?

Anyway, great work. Lazulilasher (talk) 21:33, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

The comments are incorporated. Perseus71 (talk) 14:06, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

CommentSupport MisterBee1966 (talk) 06:45, 25 December 2008 (UTC)

Very nice article indeed. I do have a few comments to make

  • In the Info box: Country Deutsches Reich (I'm unsure about this bout I have seen people disputing about this before)
  • In the Info box: Branch Air Force -> Branch File:Balkenkreuz.svg Luftwaffe
  • In the Info box: Notable commanders either sort them chronologically or alphabetically, now it is unclear
  • In the Info box: Notable commanders Herbert Ihlefeld is missing
  • "decorated expert pilot (Experten)" -> decorated expert pilot (Experte)
  • "Ironically, it was the only wing that" I don't know what is ironic about surrendering aircraft
  • "like most other wings (Geschwaders)" -> no s on Geschwader
  • "Hunting Forces of Führer (Führer der Jagdkräfte)" -> Führer der Jagdkräfte translates to "Leader of the Fighter Force"
  • "A list of known missing or killed in action in Operation Bodenplatte for JG 1 are given in later Sections." Where is this section?
  • "German flak cre was unaware" -> German flak crew was unaware
  • "geschwaderstab" -> all German nouns must be capitalzed.
  • "Gruppenkommandeuren" -> no n on Gruppenkommandeure

MisterBee1966 (talk) 11:11, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

Most of the comments are incorporated. This does remind of one issue. During the GA review there was no consensus on the Casualties list. For the Opearation Bodenplatte we do have a complete list of casualties. However the reviewer felt that unless you have complete list of ALL casualties, you should not post a list at all. Especially a list for specific operations. You may find it here.Perseus71 (talk) 14:07, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
As the GA reviewer, my feeling was that including a list of otherwise non-notable (in the WP sense) pilots killed in one operation implies a POV that those pilots were more important than all the other JG 1 pilots killed at other times in the war. And apart from pilots with WP notability (which are listed and linked), I'm not sure a list of all (500 or so?) casualties is appropriate here. — Bellhalla (talk) 19:58, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
My comment was related to the sentence, which was now removed. The Operation Bodenplatte article has a full list of JG 1 losses on this day. I guess it doesn't require repetition here and indeed it would over proportionally distort the picture. MisterBee1966 (talk) 09:37, 24 December 2008 (UTC)


  • CommentSupport
  • "coincidentally, it was the" Capitalization?
  • Also, why is it coincidental that they were the only ones to surrender jets to the Anglo-Americans?
  • The word is removed in order to address the two comments above. Perseus71 (talk) 18:45, 24 December 2008 (UTC)
  • Watch double linkings, for example Heinkel He 162 is linked twice just in the lead.
  • The Double links removed. Effort is made to ensure it does not repeat for other words. Perseus71 (talk) 18:45, 24 December 2008 (UTC)
  • I don't know about the image in the section with all the tables - on my laptop monitor it sandwiches with the tables and covers up part of the text and a section edit link. You might want to move it further down, so it actually looks like it goes with the aircraft section.
  • Images are further pushed down. Perseus71 (talk) 18:45, 24 December 2008 (UTC)
  • "Heilingenbeil (modern Mamonovo) near baltic coast, Schippenbeil and Arys-Rostken near polish border." Reads awkwardly, needs capitalization and linking.
  • Grammar changes incorporated to incorporate the comments. Perseus71 (talk) 18:45, 24 December 2008 (UTC)
  • " (136 confirmed in 500+ missions)" Confirmed what?
  • Clarification added. Perseus71 (talk) 18:45, 24 December 2008 (UTC)
  • "Oberst Walter Oesau was banned from operational flying since his 100th kill with JG 2 of a Spitfire on 26 October 1941" Why would be banned from flying for being too good? Please explain this.
  • Explanation added. Perseus71 (talk) 18:45, 24 December 2008 (UTC)
  • "This was part of the Battle of Berlin." Specify that it was the Air Battle of Berlin, lest the reader think that it was in support of a ground offensive to capture Berlin.
  • Don't link to Ardennes Offensive; it just redirects to Battle of the Bulge.
  • Internal link removed.
  • The See Also section can be integeated as both those topics are linked to earlier in the article.
  • Section removed as there are no other relevant links. Perseus71 (talk) 18:45, 24 December 2008 (UTC)
  • It could use a bit of a copy-edit, the prose is rather choppy in places.
  • If you could please provide examples then I'd be happy to correct it. As it is, English is not my primary language hence its difficult for me to identify prose issues. Perseus71 (talk) 18:45, 24 December 2008 (UTC)
Please get these issues fixed and let me know and I'll support it. – Joe Nutter 16:27, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

Everything looks good, and I've forgotten the places that I thought could use a copy-edit. It's OK for A-class now, but if you're planning on taking it to FA I'd recommend finding someone, possibly at Our copy-editing place. – Joe Nutter 22:55, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

Well I am perfectly content to stay with A. I am not going to look for FA at least for a while. Now to move on to the next on the list, JG 11. Perseus71 (talk) 00:59, 25 December 2008 (UTC)
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