Wiki143:Suspected sock puppets/SkipSmith
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User:SkipSmith
- Evidence
Please see Wikipedia:Requests for checkuser/Case/Skipsmith, created on July 19, 2006.
User SkipSmith has had a history of trying to push edits to the Actuarial Outpost page to memorialize non-notable, and some banned, members of the community, has engaged in trying to expose the identities of some of the anonymous moderators there, and has tried to add a section on phrases, with the express intent of honoring a a member who was thrown out of the Outpost for being a troll. Please see talk:Actuarial Outpost and Talk:Actuarial Outpost/Archive 1.
To this end, I bring the following list of "throwaway" accounts whose sole purpose was to malign me and support Skip's position:
WikiLaw(talkTemplate:MiddotcontribsTemplate:MiddotcheckuserTemplate:Middotblock userTemplate:Middotblock logTemplate:Middotedit count)Gadfilous(talkTemplate:MiddotcontribsTemplate:MiddotcheckuserTemplate:Middotblock userTemplate:Middotblock logTemplate:Middotedit count)Entimoligism(talkTemplate:MiddotcontribsTemplate:MiddotcheckuserTemplate:Middotblock userTemplate:Middotblock logTemplate:Middotedit count)MarkTween(talkTemplate:MiddotcontribsTemplate:MiddotcheckuserTemplate:Middotblock userTemplate:Middotblock logTemplate:Middotedit count)Wiki Editor 21(talkTemplate:MiddotcontribsTemplate:MiddotcheckuserTemplate:Middotblock userTemplate:Middotblock logTemplate:Middotedit count)- Template:User-multi
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I could bring the diff's, but merely clicking on the "contributions" link will show that these are created specifically to talk about the Actuarial Outpost and disparage it there, or elsewhere in User:MarkTween's case.
I was hoping I would not have to do this, but Skip's accusation forces me down this road. These are either sockpuppets or meatpuppets, and should be banned in either case, I believe.
The following may also prove informative, especially as User:Joe Smythe, AAAA, MAAAA had contacted me off-line, and I strongly suspect Skip as being one and the same: Wikipedia:Suspected sock puppets/Joe Smythe, AAAA, MAAAA
-- Avi 14:13, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
- Comments
I'm not sure these are "throwaway" accounts. The discussion on Actuarial Outpost turned quite nasty, with open intimidation of those who made edits that some disliked. For example, one user used the IP address attached to an edit to send a threatening fax to another user's place of employment --- see http://www.glenn.ca/?p=41 and http://www.glenn.ca/?p=42 . I suspect this off-wiki harassment is why many users who started participating in the discussion and held views contrary to Avraham quickly abandoned it, making it appear they were "throwaway" accounts. You could ban those accounts, but I have a feeling they will not return anyway because they fear for their jobs.
- Skip, you are one step away from accussing me of harrasment. That is grounds for a libel and slander suit. Consider carefully what you are saying. What happened between you and glenn is between you and glenn. Whether you or he hae an actionable case against each other is for the two of you to work out. However, implying that I have engaged in harrasment is both patently false, and likely actionable under libel and slander, and I expect you to revert your edits. -- Avi 17:40, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
- Now you're gonna sue me? Wow --- a perfect example of the kind of intimidation I've been complaining about. My post clearly states it was Glenn that was harassing people off-wiki and driving away people that disagreed with you and him, which likely accounts for the appearance of "throwaway" accounts --- and with threatening faxes, sockpuppet accusations, and now threats of lawsuits, can you blame people for quickly getting out of this discussion? SkipSmith 18:09, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
- I am glad you clarified that I had nothing to do with any attempt at harrasement, because your statement implied that I harrassed those editors, when you know full well that glenn and I are two seperate people, and have for the past four years. Someone's reputation and good name are not things to play with; neither are libel and slander. -- Avi 18:14, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
On the edits, I think there is a sincere disagreement on the content of the article. I stopped making changes to the article quite a while ago, and instead am trying to work things out in the discussion section. However, the discussion is not going well for reasons outlined above. SkipSmith 17:37, 25 July 2006 (UTC)