Wiki143:Requests for comment/Diyako, Heja helweda, Muhamed 1

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Statement of the dispute

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  • I feel the users in question have repetively stayed hostile/incivil towards all parties not suited to their POV. Users have been warned to stay civil by a number of users but I observed no improvement in their behaviour. On ocasions users rained threats (axamples are given below).
  • It could also be said on some occasions users were writing highly biased articles if not pov pushing. In my view users lack the basic understanding of neutrality. On many occasions, users work together in making similar biased edits which could be viewed as systematic bias.

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Evidence of disputed behavior

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Civility
  1. Talk:West Azarbaijan/Archive3 is full of examples of personal attacks and threats. See this diff.
    • Few examples from the diff:
      1. In fact I am discussing with a racist Qashqai turk pasdar terrorist pro ahmadinejad who even do not recognize UN emblem and think it is PDK's
      2. Ignore us ignore us.. but after saddam it is your turn.
    • User also discusses the topic in foreign language(s). This is english wikipedia and talk should commence in english so we all understand what the heck they are talking about. Especialy if the topic is contraversial and it appears to be.
Neutrality
  1. User:Cool Cat/def
    • Source suggests:
      • By 1999, Turkey had largely suppressed Kurdish resistance by extreme terror and ethnic cleansing, leaving some 2 to 3 million refugees, 3,500 villages destroyed (seven times as high as in Kosovo under NATO bombs), and tens of thousands killed, primarily during the Clinton years...
    • Oh by the way this page does not discuss the holiday at all. And only one referance of the word 'Newroz' is made at the notes section.
  2. User:Cool Cat/def
    • Cannot tolerate alternative spellings
  3. User:Cool Cat/def
    • User considers article merging to be slavery.
blind revers
  • Reverted my edit which were minor in nature. If someone else made bad edits he should take the time to fix the issue rather than wipeout my edit.

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Civility
  1. User:Cool Cat/def
Neutrality
  1. Kingdom_of_Kurdistan: 00:55, 3 March 2006 - User:Heja helweda - Northern Kurdistan (Southeastern Turkey)
      • The Kingdom of Kurdistan did not last long, thanks to the British Royal Air Force acting on behalf of a puppet government in Baghdad. The British were not much kinder to the Kurds. It is wrongly preserved that the first regime that used poison gases against Kurds was Saddam Hussein’s government. This is wrong. British were the first regime to gas Kurds in Iraqi Kurdistan.
    • Hardly neutral. Especialy the 'gas attack' section summerised above.
bad faith
  1. User is responsible for a number of articles that violate copyrights. I noticed some and marked them as copy vios due to a request by User:FrancisTyers [1] #*In retaliation he 'found' copy vios on a number of articles related to turkey [2]. On one case mislabeled [3] as a copy vio as the page contained information from the cia world factbook, a pd source.

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Civility
  1. User:Cool Cat/def
    • The only "real" response I got to my inqueries regarding the mass taging of articles was "Bozmongols do not have in Wikipedi to searches!!!! I mean you". I am not sure what that supposed to mean, I do not think it was intended to enligten me.
  2. User:Cool Cat/def
    • My attempts to comunicate with him ultimately resulted with: "ach siktir Lan". As my language skills in Turkish are less than perfect, I asked the meaning of "ach siktir Lan". I am told "siktir Lan" translates to "Fuck off" in Turkish although people are puzzled on the meaning of "ach".
Categories
  • Kurdistan is a contraversial definition of a region of which the boundries are determined by whoever is drawing them.
  1. User:Cool Cat/def
    • Just one example of mass tagging of random provinces in Turkey, Syria, Iraq, and Iran
  2. User:Cool Cat/def
    • Mykonos is a restouran in Berlin, Germany.
  • My attempts to comunicate with him falied as he does not know english.
Involvement with my Rfa
  1. Voted oppose (which alone is fine as everyone entitled to their opinion) with "I please you Pleas, Cool Cat is an Turkish Nationalis is not got Administrator" [4]
  2. Posted a simmilar "comment" on following pages:
  • In my view this kind of behavior on RfAs is trolling. Again in my view such behaviour should not be tollerated.

Applicable policies

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  1. Wikipedia:No Personal Attacks
  2. Wikipedia:Neutral Point of View

Evidence of trying and failing to resolve the dispute

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  1. Muhamed does not know english so communicating with him as expected turned out to be a disaster.
    1. User:Cool Cat/def
      • The only "real" response I got to my inqueries regarding the mass taging of articles was "Bozmongols do not have in Wikipedi to searches!!!! I mean you". I am not sure what that supposed to mean, I do not think it was intended to enligten me.
    2. User:Cool Cat/def
      • My attempts to comunicate with him ultimately resulted with: "ach siktir Lan". As my language skills in Turkish are less than perfect, I asked the meaning of "ach siktir Lan". I am told "siktir Lan" translates to "Fuck off" in Turkish although people are puzzled on the meaning of "ach".

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  1. Cool CatTalk|@ 14:49, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

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Note on process

This RfC does not seem to be formally valid. I suggest it should be dropped and started afresh. Please see Talk page for reasons.

Lukas (T.|@) 15:58, 22 March 2006 (UTC)


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The copyright issues were mainly due to my lack of experience. Following the insightful comments by some users (like Cool Cat and FrancisTyers), those issues have been fixed in the following articles : Kurdish Institute of Paris, Kurdish Institute of Istanbul, Kurdish PEN and International Journal of Kurdish Studies. As for the quote on Churchill, it was taken from a well known website about Kurds[10](under British role in the destruction of the Kurdistan Kingdom), though I agree that the sentence was not encyclopedic.Heja Helweda 20:05, 1 April 2006 (UTC)


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I understand no Turkish and I do not come from Turkey. - - I come from the northIraq and I speak Arab and Kurdish. - - Siktir Lan I learned of your Turkish friends. Muhamed

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