Wiki143:Articles for deletion/You Say Party! We Say Die!

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was no consensus. W.marsh 15:23, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

You Say Party! We Say Die!

Delete as not notable. Article makes no verifiable claim to notability. No mention at Allmusic, Amazon. Mp3 downloads do not constitute an album. Article is nothing but vanity, part of a string of previously speedy-deleted nn bands (Fun 100, The Progressive Thinker). Perfect candidate for Template:Tl. -- Krash (Talk) 06:02, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

• Comment: if their alleged nat'l tour actually takes place, they'll be notable per WP:MUSIC. But if that happens after their deletion, it can always go to DRV. No vote. Adrian~enwiki (talk) 06:35, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment, if "booked with a notable act" is "alleged," that's fine, but it meets at least two other notes regarding WP:MUSIC: a prior national tour and mention in a notable music magazine in Canada, meeting the WP:BIO threshold with a circulation of over 5k. --badlydrawnjeff (WP:MEME?) 13:18, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep, certainly not "vanity," and is not qualified at all for speedy consideration. Meets WP:MUSIC due to upcoming tour (in article) and media mentions in high-profile music publications (linked in article, contrary to nom's claim) ([1], [2]). I don't know where this "mp3 downloads do not constitute an album" when it can be purchased [3]. Also, as article states, they have done a national tour of Canada, and have done so with other notable bands such as controller.controller. I am the creator of the article, and wouldn't have bothered if it didn't meet the criteria, which it most certainly does. AfD should be withdrawn. --badlydrawnjeff (WP:MEME?) 12:29, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
• You Say Delete! We Say Keep! ^_^ Normally I'd be inclined to agree with the nom, but with it meeting multiple criteria for WP:MUSIC, then it's probably best that we should keep it for the nonce. If the tour doesn't happen, we can always revisit this subject again.--み使い Mitsukai 14:07, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
• Weak keep, I'm not sure they're notable, but they're right on the edge if they're not, and nothing is gained by deleting them. Plus, they have a spiffy name. Adrian~enwiki (talk) 14:12, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

• Delete... Doesn't meet WP:MUSIC from anything I've seen. Upcoming tour is just that... upcoming. WP not a crystal ball, yada, yada. While I like pitchforkmedia.com, I'm not sure I'd consder it major music media. The same for exlaim.ca. You Say Party! We Say Die! is close to WP:MUSIC notability, but close only counts in horseshoes and handgrenades. Userfy until the day (if it ever comes) that they actually make it.--Isotope23 18:19, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment: they have toured before, if the media attention is to be correct. Exclaim.ca is the online version of a notable music magazine reaching more than 5k people in circulation per WP:BIO standards [4]. If you don't believe either of these things, they fulfill the touring requirement yet again in a month. --badlydrawnjeff (WP:MEME?) 18:28, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
    • Reply I understand they are scheduled to go on a tour this year of the Western U.S. and U.K, but until that actually happens, this is crystalballism and (at least in my opinion) not relevant. Having been involved with a number of bands over the years, alot of things can happen to derail a planned tour. As for their previous tour, can you provide specific information about it? I've seen general info that they "toured canada" but again, having been involved with bands I know people who have claimed (to music press) that they just completed a "tour of the midwest" when they played 3 shows in Grand Rapids, MI; Toledo, OH; and South Bend, IN... all in podunk bars. I need to see evidence of an actual tour. As for exclaim.ca, I know it's tied to the magazine... but that doesn't necessarily confer notability back to the website. Were they featured in the print edition?--Isotope23 18:50, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
      • Not being Canadian, I have no clue if they were featured in the print edition, not that it makes much of a difference notability-wise. I've added a link to their tour history to the article. I'm hoping you'll change your mind on this. --badlydrawnjeff (WP:MEME?) 19:03, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
        • It does make a difference notabilitywise to me. Looking at their past tour schedule, they've played bars and a community center. No concert venues from what I see. This just doesn't satisfy WP:MUSIC to me. Sorry... But on the bright side for you, right now this appears destined for "no consensus".--Isotope23 19:14, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
        • I don't see what's so difficult about this. If conclusive proof of their notability can be offered to satisfy WP:MUSIC I would have no problem changing my view and I'm sure Isotope23 wouldn't either. But I haven't seen this evidence and I'm starting to believe it doesn't exist. Without stronger evidence, you seem to be simply fighting for this article from the emotional standpoint of its creator. -- Krash (Talk) 19:24, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
          • I actually have a pretty vested issue with deleting articles about notable bands, which happens far too often in our haste to get rid of "bandcruft" or "garage bands." If I present information that proves its notability, and it's dismissed, there's nothing else I can do. Assume some good faith here, my creation of the article has nothing to do with it, check some of my other band AfD contribs if you need to. I haven't even heard a single song from them, for god's sake. --badlydrawnjeff (WP:MEME?) 21:58, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep; their touring endeavor(s) give this band notability per WP:MUSIC. EdGl 21:13, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per Isotope23 Ruby 22:24, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
• Comment WP:MUSIC states that a band is notable if it "Has gone on an international concert tour, or a national concert tour in at least one large or medium-sized country, reported in notable and verifiable sources." It also says that a musical artist is only required to meet one of the criteria for notability. EdGl 22:34, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep. Notable enough for mine. Capitalistroadster 23:41, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep per Capitalistraodster. Ardenn 04:05, 11 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete - not notable enough: haven't heard from them, google shows only few entries. Peter S. 20:10, 11 February 2006 (UTC)
• In addition to the Exclaim! and Pitchfork citations contained in the article, I can personally vouch for having heard this band both interviewed and played on CBC Radio Three. Which, as far as I'm concerned, puts them on the keep side of my line. Not to mention even if this were deleted as nn, it'll be legitimately recreatable in less than a month anyway, when that national tour criterion is fulfilled — so why bother going through this process at all? YMMV, I suppose. Bearcat 04:03, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep The band's song Stockholm Syndrome Part 2 is listed #42 on CBC Radio Three's Top 94 songs of 2005 [5]. nkife 18:00, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep. Heard it on CBC Radio Three as well. -Tim Rhymeless (Er...let's shimmy) 11:18, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep as meeting WP:MUSIC. Turnstep 13:58, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep. They have an album out, I've read about them in several magazines (like Chart) and they are currently going on a national tour of Canada. --æsahættr 07:25, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.