Wiki143:Articles for deletion/Wenlin Software for learning Chinese

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The result of the debate was no consensus, therefore keep. --Conti|✉ 03:44, July 19, 2005 (UTC)

Wenlin Software for learning Chinese

This page is an ad for a particular piece of software from a particular company. It is not an encylopedic article. There are many other programs, including freeware and open source, which have a dictionary function etc. Mccready 01:26, 11 July 2005 (UTC)

• Delete, nn ad vanity. -mysekurity 01:42, 11 July 2005 (UTC)
• Delete. A stub constituting only an ad, therefore falls under Wikipedia:Votes_for_deletion/Precedents#Companies. --MPerel ^{( talk | contrib)} 02:50, 11 July 2005 (UTC)

• keep, this is not a simple Chinese-English dictionary, it collects a lot of referencial etymological infos about Chinese characters (from Wieger, Karlgren, etc) and is used by many sinologists and in many universities around the world. Moreover, if I look in some categories of softwares, I could find things like Konnect or Tlen that aren't being VfDed... gbog 05:22, 11 July 2005 (UTC)

• I think if it was expanded a bit, and included more than just basic advertisement, I would change my vote. --MPerel ^{( talk | contrib)} 06:04, 11 July 2005 (UTC)

• Delete advertising. JamesBurns 09:08, 11 July 2005 (UTC)
• Delete per Mysekurity. Weak keep after rewrite and assurances of those in better position than me to know that the product is notable (although I still would have liked more specific proof of that). Dcarrano 03:07, July 16, 2005 (UTC)
• Weak delete if not rewritten. I'm happy to believe that it is a major product, and an NPOV version would be a keep. It's not horrid advertising now, so a little cleaning would swing my vote. Geogre 15:35, 11 July 2005 (UTC)
• Keep. This is a well known integrated learning system for the Chinese language. There is a review of the package, paying attention to its weaknesses as well as its strong points, here at csu.edu. --Tony Sidaway|Talk 18:38, 11 July 2005 (UTC)
• Comment. I have copy edited, adding more information about the software, and a link to the review. --Tony Sidaway|Talk 18:58, 11 July 2005 (UTC)
• Redirect and Merge, to a new article with just the company name, as opposed to a page for its product. --Eliezer 11:19, 12 July 2005 (UTC)
  • The "Wenlin Institute" shows about 850 google hits. --Eliezer 11:21, 12 July 2005 (UTC)
  • Comment. As a technical matter, "redirect and merge to a new article" is best executed as a page move. Just move to the new name and then edit content accordingly. --Tony Sidaway|Talk 15:48, 12 July 2005 (UTC)
• Delete, ad. Radiant_>|< 13:36, July 12, 2005 (UTC)
• Keep notable product. Unfocused 15:31, 12 July 2005 (UTC)

• Comment. I'm not familiar with vfd policies and didn't find and guideline stating if I'm allowed or not to call some users I know who may vote "keep" (some people that I met while editing Chinese philo related articles). I may explain also why I feel this article on Wenlin is usefull, notably for some other articles : explaining Chinese "concepts" in English is not simple, (typically for "things" like Tao) an usefull way to do it is to give some "etymology" of the Chinese character (even if it is sometimes useless). It give a main line and/or a start. Etymology in Chinese is often very "unprofessionnal" as everyone can see "little pictures" is characters. However, there are some serious and usefull works made on every Chinese characters internal composition and history, those of Wieger and Karlgren for instance. Wenlin is one of them (or, more accuratly, is collecting them). Then, my claim is that this article on Wenlin is valuable for attributing an explanation of a Chinese character. I heard that a major trend in wikipedia now is cite sources, and this helps a lot. BTW, I'm only a user of Wenlin, I don't work for them ! gbog 02:34, 13 July 2005 (UTC)
• Delete Bushka--GrandCru 17:33, 14 July 2005 (UTC)
• Keep This may be a borderline advertisement, but it does seem more explanatory than promotional. ElleBigelow 05:27, 15 July 2005 (UTC)
• Comment It seems the author might help by spending some time giving us the history of the product and how it is fits into the history of translation. ElleBigelow 05:27, 15 July 2005 (UTC)
• Keep. It's not written in form of an ad. And I have heard of Chinese learners using this program before. --Menchi 02:50, 16 July 2005 (UTC)

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