Wiki143:Articles for deletion/WHHS

This page is an archive of the proposed deletion of the article below. Further comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or on a Votes for Undeletion nomination). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was Keep --Allen3 ^talk 12:28, August 3, 2005 (UTC)

WHHS

High school radio station. Wikipedia guidelines reccomend a radio station must have a regional significance, not just local to one city. EvilPhoenix talk 23:11, July 21, 2005 (UTC)

• Keep. No Need to Delete WHHS. The station itself is old, and has a very rich history. It is more than just any "high school radio station", which is why it is mentioned under Philadelphia FM stations. Rockafeller talk 8:03 EST July 21, 2005
  • Please don't give your votes their own headings. I've also fixed your signature, which you can easily add to any talk page by typing four tildes: ~~~~. android79 04:07, July 22, 2005 (UTC)
• Keep. Radio stations are notable -- a '10-mile-radius' if that 10 miles is Philidelphia is pretty freaking notable. Almafeta 02:42, 22 July 2005 (UTC)
• Delete per Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Precedents#Entertainment. Keep. The "oldest high-school station in the country" claim was not present in the article when I made my vote. android79 00:46, July 28, 2005 (UTC)
• Keep. If you read the introductory text to Precedents#Notability, it is clear that the precedent only indicates that regional radio stations are always notable, not that local ones are always non-notable. -- Visviva 12:51, 22 July 2005 (UTC)

I don't think that's clear, actually. My interpretation of the statement "Radio stations are notable if broadcast at least regionally (i.e. not limited to a single city)", specifically the part about not limited to a single city, is that a radio station that only broadcasts within a few mile radius (Philadelphia or otherwise), is not notable by that definition. EvilPhoenix talk 08:09, July 24, 2005 (UTC)

• Redirect to Radio One, their owners. A 5-10mile radius is pretty titchy compared to the coverage of proper stations. -Splash 18:39, 22 July 2005 (UTC)
• Delete as per precedent. JamesBurns 03:37, 23 July 2005 (UTC)
• Merge and redirect to Haverford (Pennsylvania) High School per consensus on notability of High Schools. Keep redirected link in List of radio stations in the Philadelphia market. Dystopos 15:46, 23 July 2005 (UTC)
• Keep Station was reinstated on different frequency, and given special exemption from FCC. See here Argument is moot. I am updating information on page. Please remove deletion template from page. Herandar 05:45, July 24, 2005 (UTC)

Please do not declare that an argument is moot. That is rude. There has been a written and defined precedent, reached after much work towards consensus, that is the foundation of my argument. The fact that the radio station was given excemption from the FCC does not change that stations status in regard to to notability precedent that I am citing. Further, the deletion template must remain on the article page until the close of the debate process, which has not happened yet. EvilPhoenix talk 08:09, July 24, 2005 (UTC)

• Delete. Don't see a reason to go against guidelines here. Content should be moved into the school article or used to create it. Vegaswikian 00:28, 25 July 2005 (UTC)
• Keep. What on earth does it harm to have an article on this station? The "guideline" is not the product of consensus so much as a warning to article creators that deletionists will jump on their article if it doesn't meet these guidelines for "notability". Grace Note 04:42, 25 July 2005 (UTC)
• Keep. Oldest High School Radio station in Nation makes the station nationally relevant and notable. I apologize for my previous language, the argument in my head was that station was not relevant as it no longer existed... I would vote for deletion in that case. Herandar 02:55, July 27, 2005 (UTC)

Note: this is user's second vote. EvilPhoenix talk 13:08, August 2, 2005 (UTC)

• Keep. The oldest high school radio station in the United States is notable. More important, the so-called "guideline" is illogical: the notability of a media outlet isn't determined by the wide geography it covers but on the number of people it reaches, and a lot of people live in a 20 mile diameter circle of Philadelphia.--Pharos 00:37, 28 July 2005 (UTC)

Perhaps you might propose altering the language of the notability guideline? I'm just going off of my interpretation of the guideline as written. I don't believe it's really fair to call the guideline "so-called", my understanding is that a fair amount of discussion and work towards consensus went into developing those guidelines. Whether you choose to follow those guidelines is up to you, as is how you choose to interpret said guidelines. I am simply submitting an article that does not, in my opinion, meet the guidelines. Some have agreed, others have not. EvilPhoenix talk 13:08, August 2, 2005 (UTC)

• Can I ask what the story is with this article's deletion (or not)? The "VFD" on this article has been up for over 10 days. Rockafeller 19:49, 2 August 2005 (UTC)
  • With seven unqualified keep votes out of twelve total, it's pretty clear that this discussion will end with either a no consensus or keep result. I would close it myself, but I am uncomfortable with closing a discussion I voted in with a result I agree with. However, ten days is a long time to be on VfD, even with the backlog of old discussions, so if no one else objects in a reasonable amount of time I'll close this as a keep. android79 22:08, August 2, 2005 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in an undeletion request). No further edits should be made to this page.