Wiki143:Articles for deletion/Veronica Stark

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was DELETE. -Splash^talk 23:10, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

Veronica Stark

Non notable. Performer has less than 10 movies to her credit and there are no other claims to notability as far as can be determined. Thus delete. Joe Beaudoin Jr. ^{Think out loud} 06:06, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

• Speedy A7, does not assert notability. Royboycrashfan File:Flag of Texas.svg 06:22, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
• Speedy A7 per nomination. Have tagged as such. -- Saberwyn 06:52, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
• I have removed the speedy tag. I disagree that being an actress with an IMDB entry (and some 10 films) is not an assertion of notability. Sjakkalle (Check!) 07:27, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
  • Please, alot of Wikipedia unworthy people are on IMDb. Royboycrashfan File:Flag of Texas.svg 07:30, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
    • A7 was not made to eliminate all the articles on people who don't meet WP:BIO. It was mostly intended for people writing articles about themselves, particularily schoolchildren. (The "John is a smart guy who attends the high school in downtown. He enjoys playing soccer and is also good at volleyball. His best subjects are history and geography" type of thing). The deletion of such articles was so non-controversial that a speedy criterion could be implemented. But when a person gets an IMDB entry, it is conceivable that some people might want to look up the person, and conceivable that some people might vote to keep it, and therefore the full AFD process is preferable. That said, I have no opinion if this article should be kept. Sjakkalle (Check!) 07:48, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
  • Most of her 10 'film' credits relate to pornography 'clipshows'. Basically she's been filmed having sex a on ten occasions over a seven year period. That's It. I will concede that it is a 'claim to fame', and tagging as A7 may have been the incorrect proceedure to follow. However, WP:BIO suggests that Wikipedia articles for actors should occur for "Notable actors and television personalities", where "notable" is defined as major association with well known films or television productions, gauged through national-level publications, large fan-bases, independant biographies, or commerical endoresements. Of which this young lady has none. -- Saberwyn 07:50, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
• Comment: if this wasn't a porn actress it would probably be kept with little opposition. I am not arguing that it should, I just wish regular actors and actresses that happen to have IMDb entries were treated the same. -- Kjkolb 11:01, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
  • Reply: Interesting point. Perhaps you should bring this up at the Wikipedia:Village Pump, not on an obscure AFD, so that this issue can get the attention it rightfully deserves. :-) -- Joe Beaudoin Jr. ^{Think out loud} 20:05, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
    • Don't worry. I spread my complaining all around. ;-) Kjkolb 04:23, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete as nn. --Terence Ong 11:42, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete as non-notable artist, not speedy-able. — Adrian~enwiki (talk) 19:15, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete according to WP:BIO. Sjakalle's arguments about speedy should be studied carefully. I have been monitoring speedy deletion nominations carefully and there are a number of them where speedy deletion was tagged yet there was a clear and credible assertion of notability in the article. Capitalistroadster 01:01, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
  • Just so I know for the future, can you point it out to me in this case, please? -- Saberwyn 21:35, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
    • "Stark appeared in several films from European studio Private." Stifle 02:25, 11 March 2006 (UTC)
      • Conceeded. -- Saberwyn 20:56, 12 March 2006 (UTC)
• Keep. Under contract with Private and Vivid and people want to delete this? Not me. That's the porn gold standard. Those trying to speedy this should immediately review CSD. -- JJay 02:44, 12 March 2006 (UTC)
• Keep per JJay Jcuk 22:02, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.