Wiki143:Articles for deletion/Punk Metal

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or on a Votes for Undeletion nomination). No further edits should be made to this page.

There is a consensus to keep the article. encephalon 19:07, 22 October 2005 (UTC)

Punk Metal

This is just original research by an anon IP and already includes information in the more acurate articles of Thrashcore Grindcore Thrash metal Crust punk Stoner metal Metalcore . Punk metal is hardly ever used to describe a bands genre and the more accurate terms are calling a band heavy metal and hardcore punk. JobE6 File:Peru flag large.png 00:53, 16 October 2005 (UTC) I propose a merge with Crossover thrash which as the creator says is a synonym for punk metal and is more acceptable. JobE6 File:Peru flag large.png 20:41, 16 October 2005 (UTC)

• weak delete vote. Needs references. I can't speak to content--FloNight 02:15, 16 October 2005 (UTC)

• Sorry, but the above comment is just rediculous. I'm not even sure if the above user read the article, because if he did he would see clearly that Crust Punk is a subgenre of Punk Metal and that Thrash and Grindcore are related, but not considered part of Punk Metal. The term Punk Metal is widely used in the USA today in place of the old term Crossover, which has no meaning to the genre anymore. To say otherwise would show a lack of understanding of the history and future of the Punk Metal genre. Rocknrollfanatic 01:08, 16 October 2005 (UTC)

Delete per nom.Gator1 02:19, 16 October 2005 (UTC)

• Keep real genre of music: documented at [1], used by bands to describe their sound [2] [3], by music journalists in album reviews[4], by music stores [5] [6], etc. Needs some cleaning up and a clarification of its standing in the genre/subgenre hierarchy. --Anetode 02:31, 16 October 2005 (UTC)

  All of those site incorrectly label some bands punk metal which are hardly even any of the genres above. Spun.com lists Atreyu (Screamo, Metalcore), Death by Stereo (who arent even remotely metal), Murderdolls (barely metal, more like Horror punk) and the Misfits (Clearly Horror Punk) as being Punk Metal. The Murderdolls like i said are purely Horror Punk and maybe Shock rock.

Keep, It surely needs clean up but I'd say it's good enough to stay. -Haon 03:29, 16 October 2005 (UTC)

• Keep and clean up. Allmusic.com lists this as a legitimate genre see [7] listing Suicidal Tendencies and Corrosion of Conformity as notable practitioners. Capitalistroadster 03:34, 16 October 2005 (UTC)

  Suicidal Tendencies are skate punk/ thrashcore and Corrosion of Conformity are hardcore punk. The article has mostly inccorect information and should either be delted or merged with metalcore. JobE6 File:Peru flag large.png 05:18, 16 October 2005 (UTC)

• Allmusic.com is a very reliable source and if they define it as a legitimate genre that's good evidence as far as I am concerned. User Anetode and I have provided a number of sources as to the existence and notability of this genre. What evidence do you have from sources that it is not a important genre. There are 652,000 Google results for "punk metal" see [8] so it is a widely used term. Capitalistroadster 06:23, 16 October 2005 (UTC)

• Allmusic is not always the most reliable or accurate. They label Led Zeppelin, Blue Oyster Cult, Def Leppard and Bon Jovi as heavy metal. Their music is not necessarily heavy metal but hard rock. Under Post harcore they list Helmet as a band which is also a mislabel. Under rap-rock they list Californication as a major album, even though it is one of the Chili Peppers few albums that do NOT containt rap style vocals. Basically allmusic is not the "if it says it then it must be true" source. JobE6 File:Peru flag large.png 15:59, 16 October 2005 (UTC)

I second that: they even label King Diamond as death metal. Spearhead 20:47, 16 October 2005 (UTC)

Comment - Jobe I think you're forgetting the old uses of HM. Go back to the sixties and seventies, and you'll find "punk" was used for Blondie, and HM for Led Zeppelin. Some even say LZ was the first metal band, although Steppenwolf introduced the term, and LZ, Cream and Hendrix all contributed. As for Def Leppard, and Bon Jovi. I wouldn't call BJ (!) HM, but Def Leppard would count as a sort of Pop Metal part of the NWOBHM, with the right riffs, and also certain subject matter (one of the original definitions of HM) including sex, violence, and the Apocalypse. Whether they're any good, well I'll let you decide! --82.109.88.66 19:58, 16 October 2005 (UTC)

• A band does not necesserily belong to only one genre. Your assertion that Corrosion of Conformity are hardcore punk may well be correct, but a case could also be made for them being Punk Metal. Either way, deleting a whole article because you disagree with parts of it is rather gratuitious. Everyone is welcome to alter the classification of various bands mentioned, and disagreements about such taxonomy should be discussed at the article's talk page. --Anetode 08:22, 16 October 2005 (UTC)

• Keep I rarely use the term myself, but is applied to and appropriately befits some NWOBHM bands. 06:28, 16 October 2005 (UTC)
• Keep as per Capitalistroadster. If kept, the article should be moved to Punk metal for correct and consistent capitalisation. CLW 09:43, 16 October 2005 (UTC)
• Delete nonsense genre as per nom. Spearhead 09:58, 16 October 2005 (UTC)

Merging it with crossover thrash is a good option to me as well Spearhead 14:25, 17 October 2005 (UTC)

• Keep per Capitalistroadster and Anetode. Allmusic.com is a reliable source. Calling it nonsense with this kind of references as evidence is just plain POV against music genre articles. - Mgm|^(talk) 12:02, 16 October 2005 (UTC)
• Keep but it could use some cleanup. -- Rune Welsh | ταλκ | Esperanza 14:47, 16 October 2005 (UTC)
• Keep, in agreement with CLW. Punkmorten 18:59, 16 October 2005 (UTC)
• Keep - however as a splintered genre, most of the article should be taken up with the various other hybrid offshoots of which there are many e.g. Grunge, Hardcore Punk, Speed Metal etc --MacRusgail 19:53, 16 October 2005 (UTC) 19:52, 16 October 2005 (UTC)
• Keep, cleanup. Ëvilphoenix ^Burn! 19:47, 17 October 2005 (UTC)
• Keep real music genre. Trollderella 19:54, 17 October 2005 (UTC)
• Keep, as it is used as a real music genere, but cleanup. Prodego ^talk 15:35, 22 October 2005 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in an undeletion request). No further edits should be made to this page.