Wiki143:Articles for deletion/Prelude In G Major

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was Consensus to remove material; no consensus as to pure delete or redirect, will redirect. Babajobu 03:43, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

Prelude In G Major

Delete this page: there is nothing special about a Prelude in G Major (as opposed to other keys), and it isn't referring to a particular work. It doesn't add anything that the Prelude_(music) page doesn't already contain.

• Keep if able to be made into a real dis-ambiguation page with links pointing to them. Otherwise, re-direct to G major, adding to that article a list of preludes written in that key. Georgia guy 01:14, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
• Redirect to G major --M@thwiz2020 01:44, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
• Redirect to G major. Royboycrashfan 01:59, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
• Redirect to G major. *drew 02:48, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete. Not currently disambiguating anything; completely idiosyncratic non-topic as written. Don't redirect to G major; that article is not about preludes in G major. What belongs here, if anything, is a musicological analysis of the Bach piece. Ikkyu2 07:35, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep and turn in to a simple list of preludes in G Major by composer, by analogy with say Symphony_No._7. I doubt many of the preludes themselves are really notable enough for an analysis. A redirect to G major would be more misleading than useful, better to redirect to Prelude_(music). The real question to ask if someone searched for 'Prelude In G Major' (or any other key) what information could we usefully give them. -- Solipsist 09:27, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

Since the name "prelude in G major" is entirely generic, I don't see anyone searching for it. And if they did, surely they'd be looking in iTunes not here? If you don't know the composer, how are you going to know when you've found the right one without hearing it? - Just zis  Guy, you know? ^[T]/_[C] File:Flag of the United Kingdom.svg 22:05, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

Comment: A listener who has heard the piece and remembers its name but not its composer might indeed turn to wikipedia and search for Prelude in C-sharp minor in a bid to track down the Rachmaninoff encore. --Defrosted 01:08, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

Yes that's more or less the point. Its generic, but then so are the Symphony_No._x articles. Unfinished symphony is similarly generic, but nevertheless an interesting article as most people think that there is only one unfinished symphony and imagine it was Schubert's, half finished, last symphony. Nevertheless these generic articles are more or less useful guides. The Prelude In G Major article isn't particularly good at the moment, but there is no reason why it couldn't point towards the most popular G-Major Preludes that are played on their own. Bach must have written half a dozen, but only two or three seem popular. There is another G-Major by Rachmaninoff which may be as popular as his C-sharp minor prelude. And no doubt there are others.

If someone wanted to create similar Prelude in xx articles for each of the 24 keys, I don't have much of a problem with that. Nor if that were extended to other musical forms; fugue, concerto, etc - Wikipedia is not paper. If you ever listen to a classical station on the radio, you will find that they often discuss pieces using shorthand titles like 'The concerto in G', on the assumption that you would know they were meaning the Ravel they had played earlier.

On the other hand, we can take the point of view that non of these list-type articles are really much help in tracking down any individual work. In which case, perhaps they should be using Google or freedb to search for them, and it would be better to just delete this article. But then should you also delete the Symphony_No._x articles? -- Solipsist 09:38, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

• Redirect to G major. --Terence Ong (恭喜发财) 10:43, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete. Nothing could be covered here that could not be covered just as well in Prelude (music). I don't see the need for a Redirect. Logophile 10:48, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete There is nothing notable about a generic prelude in G-major. It's not even well-known name like the (Bach) B-minor Mass. I can only see it valuable as a "List of preludes in G Major" if there were several. And I don't think the redirect to G-Major helps anyone. If I'm looking for some Prelude in G-Major but I can't remember who wrote it, I'm better off with search results. –Shoaler (talk) 14:18, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep and turn into an article on the Bach piece. A redirect to G major is pointless; a redirect to Prelude (music) would be better, if necessary. Powers 15:17, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

• Have you any idea how many pieces JS Bach wrote in his life? And if we do all Bach's, do we do Telemann's as well? I don't mind, but you are talking about a very large number of articles, even if the vast majority of the music is massively better (IMO) than the average song article on Wikipedia. I can see some utility in the List of compositions of Johann Sebastian Bach, especially if it were expanded to include dates, some data on forces required and length, and I'd dearly love to see the same for the BuxWV catalogue, since I'm a huge fan of Buxtehude (as indeed was Bach), but one article on one prelude by one composer is a "single petal" when the field of flowers would be so much better, as the mergists have it. - Just zis  Guy, you know?

Um, sorry? Powers 04:14, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

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• Delete no redirect. Quick, before somebody creates Prelude in C major, Prelude in D major, Prelude in F-sharp minor, etc., with similar lack of content. —Wahoofive (talk) 16:55, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
• Merge into Prelude (music) after generalizing to be relevant to all keys.--ragesoss 20:33, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per Wahoofive. (ESkog)^(Talk) 23:38, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
• "Prelude in G major is a generic title for any piece of music which is a prelude and in the key of G major." No kidding! Delete per Wahoofive. --kingboyk 02:55, 4 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete as pointless, adding nothing which is not inherently obvious from the title. If this stays I want an article on "red bicycle". Just zis  Guy, you know? ^[T]/_[C] File:Flag of the United Kingdom.svg 22:03, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep as per Solipsist Jcuk 23:24, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.