Wiki143:Articles for deletion/Olivia Cenizal

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The result of the debate was Speedy keep following withdrawal of nomination. Capitalistroadster 19:18, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

Olivia Cenizal

Numerous, numerous unverifiable and unreferenced 1950s Filipino actor and director stubs, of which this is an excellent example. As per the decision made at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Baby Zobel. Apparently non-notable Filipino actress. No IMDB entry. No real evidence of meeting WP:BIO, and there is certainly no verification for anything in the article other than "she exists". Hellpits of redlinks. Created by the same author as Premiere Production, which was also deleted, due to issues with WP:V and suchlike.

The other stubs in this AfD batch are: Jaime dela Rosa, Rogelio dela Rosa, Max Alvarado, Amelia Amante, Anita Amor, Vic Andaya, Lito Anzures, Armando Araneta, Dely Atay-Atayan, Mario T Barri, Herminio Bautista, Tony Benroy, Rino Bermudez, Jose Padilla Jr, Ramon d'Salva, Francisco Cruz, Abraham Cruz, Myra Crisol, Amado Cortes, Abelardo Cortes, Melita de Leon, Luisa Acuna, Jose Nepomuceno, Ace Vergel, Zaldy Zshornack, Cynthia Zamora, Crising Aligada, Jose Bernardo Alcedo, Dolphy, Carmencita Abad, Carinosa, Cesar Ramirez, Chichay, Manding Claro, Dalagang Ilocana, Tessie Agana, Bituing Marikit, Johnny Arville, Aruray, Rosa Aguirre, Soledad Aquino, Armando Araneta, Pacita Arana, Eddie Arenas, Alicia Vergel, Carmen Rosales, Perla Adea, Susan Roces, Maria Ballesteros, Celso Baltazar, Aring Bautista, Nelly Baylon, Teddy Benavidez, Bentot, Imelda Concepcion, Rudy Concepcion, Nori Dalisay, Teroy de Guzman, Matimtiman Cruz, Carding Cruz, Meldy Corrales, Tessie Concepcion, Flor de Jasmin, Jose Corazon de Jesus, Gerardo de Leon, Van de Leon, Cris de Vera, Jose de Villa, Nestor de Villa, Tita de Villa, Violeta del Campo, Gloria del Mundo, Larry Alcala, Kundiman ng Puso, Rodora, Angel Esmeralda, Linda Estrella, Zeny Zabala, Carlos Salazar, Ruben Alcover, Pacita del Rio, Rebecca del Rio, Emma Alegre, Guy Donato, Manding Claro, Richard Abelardo, Tony Arnaldo, Mike de Leon, Jose de Villa, Mario T Barri, Fermin Barva, and Fred Cortes.

I'm not even convinced I've found them all. I'm working through them now tagging them all to this AfD. To make (failing in) verifying these even more (less) fun, every name is a pseudonym, and not the person's real name. Proto||type 11:31, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

AfD withdrawn, please close. After comments from JJay and Last Malthusian I wil try and find an alternate solution for solving this. I'll {{prod}} the first five articles and see what happens with them. Proto||type 13:29, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

• Comment: Is 1950s Filipino cinema even represented in IMDB? Maybe there are printed reference works that need to be consulted. If it is difficult to verify these articles, they should be moved out of article space, but if they are based on some offline source, we should give Filipino editors a chance to check them. u p p l a n d 11:40, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep all. This woman was and is a major star in the Phillipines. A simple google could have confirmed that. She also has an IMDB entry. Let's stop the cultural bias. -- JJay 11:51, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

  Comment The regional bias would be allowing this gibberish to remain on an encyclopaedia purely because it is about a non-Western topic. The same policies and quality-checking must apply to articles from all cultures. I cannot find an IMDB article on this lady. I found a reference to one movie she ahd a very minor role in [1]. Proto||type 12:25, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

• If you click on her name you would see that she has an IMDB entry. Also how do you know she had a "very minor role" in the one hollywood flick? Have you seen the movie? The recent article on her in the Philippine Daily Inquirer implied that she was a big star at one time in Asian countries and has made a significant number of films. Apparently you have not bothered to try to verify any of the articles you have nominated. Furthermore, calling this material "gibberish" is astoundingly insulting to people interested in this genre. I believe these noms should be immediately withdrawn. -- JJay 13:02, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

• If you read the 'articles' in question, you will see that they are, indeed gibberish for the most part. And your insinuation that I 'did not bother to try and verify these articles' is incorrect. I did indeed attempt to verify these articles. There were many more created by this user which have been verified and matched up to IMDB sources; I did not nominate those for deletion. Please try and assume good faith. Nevertheless, I have been convinced that this is not the best way to remedy these articles, and so I have withdrawn this AfD. Proto||type 13:29, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

• Keep per JJay. --Terence Ong 12:10, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
• Close nomination. This is impossible. User:Edbon3000 has created a metric truckload of articles about Filipino actors/actresses, many unquestionably of poor quality in terms of Wikipedia style as well as English (e.g. inserting his email address), and has been unresponsive to messages on his talk page trying to get him to write better articles. That may be cause for concern. However, the question here is these articles, some of which are verifiably notable, many are probably notable but unverified, and there's no way we're going to be able to sort through a combined nomination for all of them. I say 'close nomination' and not 'speedy keep' because some of these articles undoubtedly need to be deleted, but this isn't the way to do it. --Malthusian (talk) 12:21, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

  It is a big task. Should we therefore not bother, because it's a big task? If you think individual nominations are the way to go, good luck to you. Thought - what about PROD tagging the lot of them? Proto||type 12:25, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

  Good luck to me? You're the one nominating these for deletion, and since it won't happen like this it's up to you to find an alternative avenue. On the other hand, PRODding them might work. Edbon seems to be a create-and-run sort of editor - I've never seen him improve his articles after the initial edits, or defend the ones that have come up for AfD - so he probably won't take the tags down. --Malthusian (talk) 12:40, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

  Comment this AFD is asking a lot of editors. I can't offer a vote as I can't check them all right now. Prodding may be a useful tool here, my main concern with prodding is that doing that to all of these may just be moving the issue to prod and the same difficulty arises in that there are so many of these and they're not necessarily all directly related articles to each other so it's going to take quite a bit of effort for editors to work out which should be kept and which not. MLA 12:55, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

• Comment: PROD rules specifically forbid adding the PROD tag to articles which have been previously AFD'd, regardless of the result of the AFD. "Move to PROD" is not a legitimate AFD result. —Wahoofive (talk) 17:45, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

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