Wiki143:Articles for deletion/Military of the European Union

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The result of the debate was No Consensus default to Keep. Even with the sockpuppets discounted, it is still only 52% delete. Essjay · Talk 07:52, August 11, 2005 (UTC)

Military of the European Union

An inaccurate and misleading page - the European Union doesn't have any military. This page just directs users to articles on the armed forces of individual member states. JW 12:06, 1 August 2005 (UTC)

• delete : The page is misleading (as has been pointed out). This information could be added to the page of the european union under a (perhaps) new section called Military which could have these links. Manik Raina 12:20, 1 August 2005 (UTC)
• Keep. The page can be helpful for people who mistakenly think that the EU has its own military. Perhaps there could be a paragraph at the top explaining that the EU does not have its own military, but the member states do. Coffee 13:10, 1 August 2005 (UTC)
• Delete - since when has Wikipedia accepted articles about things that don't actually exist. There is no such thing as 'Military of the European Union', so we shouldn't have an article about it Cynical 13:28, 1 August 2005 (UTC)

• Well, there's Prime minister of the United States.. Coffee 13:52, 1 August 2005 (UTC)

• Well that's a pretty pointless article too then. David.

• Yes it is. Maybe someone should nominate that for VfD as well: its existence is potentially misleading. Delete. Robert A West 18:59, 1 August 2005 (UTC)

• Delete - As noted above there is no seperate EU force distinct from that of its constituent members, although these do sometimes serve under the banner of EU peacekeepers. That said they still aren't EU military forces & the article doesn't deal with that anyway. AllanHainey 13:56, 1 August 2005 (UTC)
• Delete - The EU has no military arm and there are no plans for there to be one either. Therefore as this is an encyclopedia this article should not exist. It only confuses matters. David. 1 August 2005
• Delete We shouldn't have an article about a non-existent military. Osomec 17:59, 1 August 2005 (UTC)
• Delete. Unless somehow the fact that the EU doesn't have a military becomes a major topic of discussion in international news. (Although the first sentence is classic: "The European Union does not have its own military." I can imagine a Kangaroos native to Ohio article that started the same way.) -Aranel ("Sarah") 18:30, 1 August 2005 (UTC)
• Redirect to Western European Union. Ben-w 19:07, 1 August 2005 (UTC)
• Redirect per Ben-w. Actually, Western European Union should point to this article. It is quite interesting topic, not for the militarism itself but rather for political ploys around it. Pavel Vozenilek 21:17, 1 August 2005 (UTC)

• Comment - I don't think that would be appropriate because the members of the Western European Union are not the same as those of the EU. 81.131.155.161 10:00, 2 August 2005 (UTC)

• Delete Why have articles on something that doesn't exist --Sophitus 21:20, August 1, 2005 (UTC)
  • Comment does the article Western European Union address that question at all? Ben-w 23:01, 1 August 2005 (UTC)
• Delete,the Military of the European Union is no match for the Mahdi Army. Klonimus 03:06, 2 August 2005 (UTC)
• Redirect to European Security and Defence Policy, that being the closest equivalent. EU does not have its own military force, but there is lots of suggestions about joined military exercises, European Rapid Reaction Force and so on in the terms of the policy. If somebody would be looking for information about European military cooperation (or attempt thereof), that would be the relevant articles - Skysmith 08:40, 2 August 2005 (UTC)
• Keep/merge/redirect. I've made it have a paragraph about the various military things the EU is doing (the relationship with the WEU, EUFOR in Bosnia, the Rapid Reaction Force). None of the articles mentioned seem to have this sort of overview, if I've missed one merge/redirect, otherwise keep. Morwen - Talk 14:09, 2 August 2005 (UTC)
• Keep: because there is a little more to "Military of the European Union" than just saying there isn't one. For the same reason I would disagree with redirecting. Peter Grey 17:27, 3 August 2005 (UTC)

Comment - The issues you are referring to are already discussed properly in other articles including European Security and Defence Policy. JW 11:28, 5 August 2005 (UTC)

It's a title someone might reasonably search on, and the disambiguation serves a useful purpose. Peter Grey 11:41, 5 August 2005 (UTC)

• Keep, User:Peter Grey has a valid point. JamesBurns 03:29, 6 August 2005 (UTC)
• Keep sometimes something not existing is as notable as existing. Other articles in WP on things that don't exist include 2008 and Year zero -Acjelen 03:41, 6 August 2005 (UTC)
• Comment - But the title gives the impression those armed forces are somehow under the command of the EU, which is incorrect and misleading JW 14:41, 6 August 2005 (UTC)

A valid point which the article should probably emphasize a little more. Peter Grey 03:50, 7 August 2005 (UTC)

• Keep - 68.23.100.49 22:04, 6 August 2005 (UTC)
• Keep - 68.23.36.19 22:39, 7 August 2005 (UTC)
• Original article written by 68.23.45.223. Presumably, one or both of the above is the original author. JW 11:11, 8 August 2005 (UTC)
• Keep - 68.72.116.9 22:32, 8 August 2005 (UTC)
• You only have one vote. JW 23:31, 8 August 2005 (UTC)
• Keep - 68.251.208.158 01:10, 10 August 2005 (UTC)
• By continually posting fraudulent votes you are likely to have invalidated your only genuine one. JW 22:51, 10 August 2005 (UTC)
• Keep - 68.72.134.202 23:51, 10 August 2005 (UTC)

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