Wiki143:Articles for deletion/Miki Higashino

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The result was No consensus. Swarm^(Talk) 01:06, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

Miki Higashino

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Delete. This biography is relying upon a single source, named "Square Enix Music Online", which is a site which relies upon user generated content and is not officially affiliated with Square Enix in any capacity. I am unable to locate any further evidence of non-trivial coverage, specifically from reliable third party publications. Google News Archives yields me absolutely nothing of use. It is quite possible that sources do exist in a foreign language, and if those can be found (provided they are substantial and reliable) I will happily withdraw. JBsupreme (talk) 00:00, 31 January 2010 (UTC)

• Keep The subject is clearly worthy of note, as indicated by the long list of accomplishments. "Square Enix Music Online" biographies do not rely on user generated content and the site strives to be an authoritative source of biographical information for composers as per their "About us" page. Japanese wikipedia offers 3 additional references [1] [2] [3] [4]. Gigs (talk) 00:26, 31 January 2010 (UTC)
  • Square Enix Music Online is a fansite of sorts and it most certainly does appear to be user generated in the same or similar way that Wikipedia, IMDb, NNDB, VGMdb, MobyGames (et cetera) are publishers of user generated content. I have no comment with regards to its authoritativeness or reliability. JBsupreme (talk) 01:35, 31 January 2010 (UTC)
  • Quoting the Square Enix Music Online "about us" [5] page: A large proportion of the site's success is due to the contributions of forum members and the site administration led by Chris, Don, and Andrew. JBsupreme (talk) 01:51, 31 January 2010 (UTC)
    • Searching for "Miki Chang" which she was often credited under yields another set of sources which confirm all the same information. [6]. I don't understand how you can possibly think that someone who composed such a prolific amount of music for so many notable games is somehow not notable. I think you have forgotten that notable means "worthy of note" and not "can easily find sources". Gigs (talk) 04:22, 31 January 2010 (UTC)
      • In the world of Wikipedia, notability is typically judged by how many reliable sources have actually, you know, taken note of that person (or thing, or place). JBsupreme (talk) 07:48, 31 January 2010 (UTC)
        • Except when it's not. Many of the subject specific notability standards hinge on involvement with notable works, rather than sheer amount of secondary source coverage. Gigs (talk) 17:57, 31 January 2010 (UTC)
• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Game-related deletion discussions. -- Gigs (talk) 00:35, 31 January 2010 (UTC)
• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Anime and manga-related deletion discussions. -- Gigs (talk) 00:36, 31 January 2010 (UTC)
• Emphatic keep She is an established video game musician. - Gilgamesh (talk) 08:48, 31 January 2010 (UTC)
  • I've added additional sources to the article. She is known and documented for her accomplishments, for games that have been well known, many of which have Wikipedia articles of their own. - Gilgamesh (talk) 08:55, 31 January 2010 (UTC)
• Delete no reliable sources treat this person in any depth at all. A non-notable video game musician, who was not won major awards or otherwise made an indelible mark on her field. Fails WP:MUSIC WP:BAND WP:CREATIVE and WP:BIO.Bali ultimate (talk) 14:01, 31 January 2010 (UTC)
  • Are you kidding? (Rhetorical phrase, of course; not a personal attack.) Have you ever played Life Force? That had some of the most memorable music of a video game in the 1980s. And then there's the music of the Suikoden series, and her involvements in the KuKeiHa CLUB during her time there. Besides, Category:Video game musicians has a great many composers who are even more obscure than her. Besides, if you waited for video game musicians to win awards somewhere (I'm not sure of any such special awards that exist), we wouldn't have any video game music topics on Wikipedia. It is extremely notable—to the video game music scene. - Gilgamesh (talk) 15:07, 31 January 2010 (UTC)
  • Added additional sources. The video game music scene is not known for flashy publicity and award shows, etc. But it's extremely notable, especially in Japan and the U.K., with a very large underground following. Very few of the most well-established video game music composers necessarily have any more comprehensive publicity or profiles on them, especially those in Japan, where being a high-profile public figure has some cultural taboos tied to it. But despite being discreet, these figures are still well-known and acknowledged. It's rather similar to how Jane Austen kept a very low public profile and never even signed her books by name while she was alive, but everyone knew who she was and what she wrote. - Gilgamesh (talk) 15:16, 31 January 2010 (UTC)
  • Actually, I have a question. You say Miki Higashino is not notable. Would you say the same about Masashi Hamauzu, Tim Follin, Kenji Ito, Akari Kaida, Hiroki Kikuta, Noriko Matsueda, Yasunori Mitsuda, Michiko Naruke, Hitoshi Sakimoto, Yoko Shimomura or David Wise? Do you know who they are? Do you know why they're all notable? If you do, then you would also know why Miki Higashino is notable. For the most part, either all of them are notable, or none of them are. - Gilgamesh (talk) 15:27, 31 January 2010 (UTC)
• Comment. I tried looking for sources in my search engine: http://www.google.com/cse?cx=009114923999563836576%3A1eorkzz2gp4&q=%22Miki+Higashino%22 The results are a bit hard to interpret, since it's mostly catalogues and databases and official profiles, which I didn't feel I could safely exclude from the results.

http://www.wired.com/gamelife/2008/08/irish-game-musi/ mentions Miki favorably twice and links to

http://mitsuda.cocoebiz.com/friends/higashino.html which is an interview of Miki conducted by Yasunori Mitsuda

She also gets an 'Honorable Mention' in http://music.ign.com/articles/937/937683p1.html

But besides that, I didn't find much, even though I filtered out a lot of results. I suppose her notability stands and falls with that of her work, and not her person. --Gwern (contribs) 15:44 31 January 2010 (GMT)

• Keep. Plenty of reliable sources presented here to source/expand the article. The Prince (talk) 17:16, 31 January 2010 (UTC)
• Note: This debate has been included in the list of video game related deletion discussions. MrKIA11 (talk) 18:41, 1 February 2010 (UTC)
• Keep Her body of work makes her obviously notable. Google news search shows her name in the English news media, appearing only once, that in Wired magazine, which mentions her briefly, and links to a site about her. [7] Dream Focus 20:46, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

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