Wiki143:Articles for deletion/Melbourne University ALP Club and Melbourne University Labor Club

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This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record.
The result of the debate was merge and redirect. ugen64 02:16, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Melbourne University ALP Club and Melbourne University Labor Club

University clubs are not encyclopedic, delete --nixie 07:57, 11 Apr 2005 (UTC)

  • Delete, not notable. Megan1967 08:07, 11 Apr 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep, enough information and significance, needs some expantion but very new User:almightyjosh 11 April
  • Delete as vanity, university clubs are NN. Radiant_* 13:47, Apr 11, 2005 (UTC)
    • In terms of this, has anyone actually noticed how many university clubs there are on wiki? Just search, there's thousands! Most entries are much smaller than this one User Almightjosh 13 April
  • Delete. University clubs are not notable. Zzyzx11 | Talk 22:41, 11 Apr 2005 (UTC)
  • Major clubs at major universities are verifiable, and therefore are encyclopedic. "Non-notability" is not a valid deletion criterion according to existing Wikipedia policies and conventions. Keep. --Gene_poole 23:13, 11 Apr 2005 (UTC)
    • On the contrary: non-notability is a de facto criterion by convention. Radiant_* 09:25, Apr 12, 2005 (UTC)
  • Merge and redirect to University of Melbourne. The precedent of all of the Dartmouth College inundation is to put clubs on the school's page. RickK 00:29, Apr 12, 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep. Significant ALP club around for 80 years at significant university. Capitalistroadster 01:42, 12 Apr 2005 (UTC)
  • Redirect to University of Melbourne. I'm secretary of the University of Queensland Labor club, and I haven't made an article. I can attest that most of the content is factually inaccurate and doesn't deserve to be merged. Slac speak up! 02:13, 12 Apr 2005 (UTC)
    • It's probably also worth pointing out that all universities in Australia have a ALP club, I would support merging this and information about some of the other prominent clubs to an Australian Labor Party and student activism (or some variant) article. --nixie 04:47, 12 Apr 2005 (UTC)
    • Comment. Is there an ALP equivalent to the Australian Liberal Students Federation which all Liberal clubs and societies throughout Australia? If so, it might be worthwhile creating an article on that and having a redirect to that if it is considered that this article is not worthy of retention in its own right. I will take the informed advice of Slac about the reliability of the information. Capitalistroadster 03:45, 13 Apr 2005 (UTC)
      • Labor students of the Left and Right have their own separate student bodies, the National Organisation of Labor Students and Student Unity respectively (neither are officially party-affiliated). Thus the reference to separate left and right clubs in the article. It is possible, I think, to create an article along the lines that Peta has suggested. Slac speak up! 11:46, 13 Apr 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete. There's very little there that couldn't be said of most Labor Right campus groups in the country (an article on the one at my uni would be basically the same). An article on the student union there (which that club dominates) would be quite useful, though, considering all the recent drama and criminal charges. Ambi 04:15, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)
  • Merge & Redirect to University of Melbourne. I don't believe this club deserves an individual article, but a mention at the university page would be OK. VladMV ٭ talk 15:18, 16 Apr 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep. The Melbourne University ALP Club is one of the main actors in Victorian student political activism (in particular with NUS, and has an 80 year club history, although there are factual errors in the article. I agree with nixie; there should be a larger entry on ALP Clubs from around Australia. Theusualsuspect
  • Delete both. University clubs are almost always non-notable. Is any of this verifiable in any case? Gamaliel 06:18, 18 Apr 2005 (UTC)
    • Comment. The ALSF and its President, as well as other student factions have their own entries. Furthermore, there are archives of MUALP Club records at the University's library.Theusualsuspect 11:11, 18 Apr 2005 (UTC)
      • Comment: The various factions are made up of literally dozens of such clubs. As for Julian, he's a nice enough guy but I don't think he's going to stay current long enough for there to be a reasonable article about him (I could write articles on quite a few past & present NUS OB's, but frankly I don't see the point, especially once they've left office). And Xtra, yes the club's been controversial, but so have many others. The actual information within the article really isn't all that informative (the controversial activities have taken place outside of the club's framework anyway - it's as if I were to launch into a discussion of the morality of the Iraq war on the Skull and Bones Society article on the basis that George Bush is a member). Slac speak up! 11:45, 18 Apr 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep. The ALP club has had enough controversy to warrant a page. Xtra 11:41, 18 Apr 2005 (UTC) Abstain. I see Lacrimosus's point. Xtra 11:57, 18 Apr 2005 (UTC)
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