Wiki143:Articles for deletion/List of songs about suicide

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The result was delete. Sr13 03:15, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

List of songs about suicide

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Yesterday, I nominated List of songs whose title does not appear in the lyrics for deletion and am nominating this article for the same reason. This song is a list of... article, and like similar pages, should be deleted. However, there is always the chance of it being kept. Astrale01^talk_contribs 00:57, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

• Delete. Per nom. Astrale01^talk_contribs 01:00, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
• Delete. This one is definitely hard to verify, and could possibly get out of hand after a while (unlike List of songs whose title does not appear in the lyrics, which seems pretty clear cut). Ten Pound Hammer • ^{(((Broken clamshells • Otter chirps)))} 01:40, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
• Delete - no references, which goes to the criterion for inclusion in the list, and appears to be wildly indiscriminate. Prune it to the bones if this is kept. --Haemo 01:53, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
• Delete: Too many lists on Wikipedia already; per nom and others. Seicer (talk) (contribs) 02:10, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
• Delete -- too hard to reliably source this. An example entry: "Don't Fear the Reaper" by Blue Öyster Cult is very easily interpreted to be about suicide, although it is never mentioned explicitly in the lyrics and the writer has apparently made claims that it is not about suicide. So, is it about suicide or is it not? (Or is it really about more cowbell?) --Elkman ^(Elkspeak) 04:24, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
• Keep If it is not clear-cut like "Don't Fear the Reaper" then it is put in the section List of songs about suicide#Misinterpreted where it says "Songs either misinterpreted as songs about suicide, or where a reference to suicide cannot be ruled out." It seems to me to fit the criteria for inclusion at WP:LIST#Criteria for inclusion in lists and WP:LIST#Purpose of lists. Tim Q. Wells 05:46, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep in mind though, that "Kill Myself" by Tim McGraw was originally thought to be about suicide -- it's not, so I moved it. Maintaining this list will be hard, which is why I voted delete. Ten Pound Hammer • ^{(((Broken clamshells • Otter chirps)))} 19:54, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

• "Kill Myself" by Tim McGraw is just another example. Tim Q. Wells 21:19, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

• Delete. As stated in WP:LC: As long as we don't have an article on "songs about suicide", there is no point in keeping a list of them. --B. Wolterding 08:31, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

• Actually we have Suicide song. Tim Q. Wells 17:29, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

• Are you sure that Suicide song passes the notability criteria? Are there any reliable sources discussing the subject? --B. Wolterding 17:34, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

• No, I just saw the article and thought I would mention it. I've nominated it for deletion here. Tim Q. Wells 18:12, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

• Delete just a list (but I like the M*A*S*H theme song). JJL 17:30, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
• Keep I don't follow the logic of the nom. Just because some lists of songs are deleted doesn't mean this one should be. This list seems to be useful and encyclopedic.  Grue  18:58, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

encyclopedic? Useful, maybe for trivial reasons. Bulldog123 22:07, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. --JayJasper 21:55, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
• Delete per nom and WP:NOT Bulldog123 22:07, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
• Delete Seems a bit crufty for my tastes. Also, WP:IINFO. Cool Blue^{talk to me} 23:04, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
• Delete per nom & WP:NOT Jackrm 23:30, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
• Delete To unweildy. Despite obstensively clear inclusion criteria there are too many songs from redlinked bands and too many songs which are not really about suicide and too many songs... et cetera... and it is always likely to be the case with this list. A1octopus 18:15, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Lists-related deletions. -- Pax:Vobiscum 22:46, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
• Keep for better or worse, songs about suicide have generated a lot of notice and litigation in the US; Judas Priest,[1] Ozzy Osbourne,[2] and Slayer,[3], among others have had to defend themselves in court from claims that their music led someone to do something. Carlossuarez46 19:16, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment The phenomena you describe above would be far better served in its own article rather than by this rather poor list. A1octopus 20:14, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
    • Probably so. I have removed the keep from my comment because I really don't feel strongly on the list as long as I've made my point. It looks like consensus will be to delete and I can easily live with that. I hope someone will write an article about suicide song litigation or however it is termed. Carlossuarez46 00:20, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

• See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Suicide song. There almost certainly will not be an article on that as you hoped. I suggest you change you vote back to Keep. Tim Q. Wells 01:31, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Music-related deletions. -- John Vandenberg 19:58, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.