Wiki143:Articles for deletion/List of compact discs sold with XCP

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was keep. Bratsche^talk 04:18, 18 February 2006 (UTC)

List of compact discs sold with XCP

Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information. (WP:NOT) Albums could be added by random users based on wrongful speculation. The list is too long to verify all of albums that are listed in the Wikipedia article. It doesn't provide much additional value that the external links don't already provide. Tokek 10:26, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

• Keep & rename to "List of compact discs with DRM". Useful list, provides a composite view of data on various external links. --OscarTheCat^talkFile:Flag of the United Kingdom.svg 10:33, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

• Delete per nom, and because it looks more like an advertisement than an article. There might be room for an article on the subject (if 23skidoo is right about there being controversy), but not a list like this (I take it that the list isn't controversial, except in the sense of the nimination?). --Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 11:44, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep. As long as the list sticks to the Sony and related links, I see no problem with it as this is a rather controversial subject. I was at a record store the other day and they were handing out Sony pamphlets with the albums listed. I see nothing to show that this is in any way indescriminate. It's newsworthy and verifiable. 23skidoo 17:30, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep and Rename as per Oscarthecat. Article is verifiable. Thor Malmjursson 18:44, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment The problem is precisely that it isn't verifiable. What if your friend's 90 year old grandma had problems playing Britney Spears' latest album, and decides to add it to the list? You can't verify if her album actually has any DRM by buying the same album, because the record company could have sold two versions of the same album, one with DRM and one without. Essentially where you need to go for reliable lists are the record labels' websites. Hence it doesn't provide additional value that you can't get by following the external links. In fact it's worse because this article could accumulate misinformation.—Tokek 03:04, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep - There is no reason wikipedia can't provide a documented account of discs that made news headlines around the U.S. This list is no different then the articles on things such as [Anthrax], which list ways to avoid infection. Dragoonmac - If there was a problem yo I'll solve it 23:02, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep 1. it made global headlines and 2. it's a case of a reputable company using virus tactics. James Kendall [talk] 23:33, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment Just to be clear, this isn't a deletion request for Extended Copy Protection (XCP redirects there), hence the fact that XCP made global headlines is largely irrelevant. —Tokek 03:04, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep, likely to be useful to Wikipedia readers. Adrian~enwiki (talk) 00:41, 13 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep the controversy is notable and so is a list of the affected titles. Carlossuarez46 23:22, 13 February 2006 (UTC)
• Merge to the page about the controversy. Can't find it at the moment. Stifle 00:07, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment You might be looking for XCP. There is also 2005 Sony CD copy protection controversy and Copy protection#Copy protection for audio CDs. I suppose there's a possibility there'd be an argument to split the list into a separate article if merged, though.--Tokek 03:36, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment This list was originally part of Extended Copy Protection, and split out because it was too big ProveIt ^(talk) 15:11, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep and Rename as per Oscarthecat. The information is useful, verifiable, and historic. It lends depth to other articles about DRM. Commercial websites (Sony BMG, for instance) will drop these links once the spotlight is off of them, and cannot be trusted to preserve a record of this knowlege. Zen611 03:42, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
  • As mentioned in the article, the EFF has a list.--Tokek 07:31, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep, likely to be useful ProveIt ^(talk) 07:28, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.