Wiki143:Articles for deletion/List of IBM PC games 2

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was delete. Mindmatrix 00:04, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

List of IBM PC games

This article has been through deletion before, Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of IBM PC games. This list is ambiguous, unlike a console, whether the game works on the PC depends purely on the operating system. We have lists like List of Linux games because of this. Another reason why I don't like this article, is that we have categories for this reason, see Category:Windows games and Category:DOS games. I wouldn't mind creating a List of Windows games showing major breakthroughs in gaming, and then leaving all the sequels and derivative titles to be found in the category, but List of IBM PC games is just not a suitable article. - Hahnchen 04:56, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

• Keep. Seems useful to me. Would be good if the purely DOS games were specified. -- JJay 05:19, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
  • Comment - How is this any more useful than Category:Windows games? I was thinking of creating lists for DOS/Windows/Linux then I thought, "who am I to decide what goes in the list?". Obviously, not every game would go on the list, then it'd just be a category, but who does decide whether a game is good enough for the list? - Hahnchen 05:27, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
  • Comment: Your questions should have been asked on the article's talk page. The list has been here for nearly two years with many editors contributing, but not you. You could also have used a template. There are many options available before resorting to Afd. -- JJay 05:38, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
    • Comment - I actually had a look at the article talk page before nominating this, and the reason I nominated it comes from there. I believe the term to be obsolete, and misleading, as PC gaming comes down to the OS. I found this page whilst doing some work on Personal computer game, as part of the WP:CVG COTW. No, I haven't done any work on this page, nor would I, which is why I've nominated the thing for deletion. - Hahnchen 17:16, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
      • Which is why your questions were disingenuous. -- JJay 18:59, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
• Keep and rename. The term "IBM PC" is obsolete. -- MisterHand 05:30, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
• Delete. Would be an list of monsterous size, a good category if anything, as well as a useless list, since it is not a system architecture but the operating system which games are made for. Linux games, yes. Windows games, sure. IBM PC games? How about List of games for things that have red lights on them? List of games for systems that use electricity? List of games containing the letter 'L'? All lists that would be only a little less relevant than this one. That said, if kept, it should be renamed as per MisterHand. Lord Bob 09:54, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
• Delete. Agree with Lord Bob. --Daveb 10:59, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
• Keep as per JJay Jcuk 11:15, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
• Delete. Per Lord Bob; if kept, merge per the end of Lord Bob's argument and MisterHand. -Rebelguys2 12:11, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
• Delete Obselete name and unlikely to be kept up to date as well as categories are. Choalbaton 13:03, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
• Delete arbitrary list of arbitrary subset of potentially incredible number of arbitrary program type for an arbitrary platform. Lord Bob said it better, though. Just zis  Guy, you know? ^[T]/_[C] AfD? 18:45, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
• Delete and convert to categories. -Sean Curtin 22:32, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
• Delete- It's listcruft. Listcruft with a vague inclusion criterion (as mentioned, it's more the operating system than the hardware that matters). It's listcruft of a monstrous, unmaintainable size because there's squillions of PC games. It's got to go. Reyk 23:54, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

• Delete- Reyk is right about the unattainable size, and it's unimportant to have every non-console game on a list. Not only the information in an article should be sourced, but the relevency of the info should be a part of good source. Unsourced, unsourcable, doesn't belong on wikipedia. Lotusduck 00:51, 30 December 2005 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. This list can't really be maintained, and most PCs that are made today are not made by IBM. --Idont Havaname 05:48, 30 December 2005 (UTC)
• Delete, unmaintainable. Pavel Vozenilek 22:59, 31 December 2005 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.