Wiki143:Articles for deletion/Letterkenny Shopping Centre (2nd nomination)

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus to delete. Merger is an editorial decision W.marsh 00:04, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

Letterkenny Shopping Centre (2nd nomination)

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Pointless shopping mall article. Has previously been deleted. Pathless 22:24, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

Object; it is certainly a very poor article but the notion that shopping malls are not-notable (or more likely unworthy) for inclusion is 24 carat POV. They are central to modern life in the English speaking world, just as Churches were one time. It was commerce that created towns in the first place; their very reason to exist! What this article needs is to be improved, not deleted. Commercial advertising in such articles can be handled just as it is in other articles. (Sarah777 23:54, 8 October 2007 (UTC))
  • Keep - notability is derived from Economic Impact to the community. Exit2DOS2000•T•C• 01:45, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
  • Strong Keep - Largest shopping centre in County Donegal and also the first. As far as I can see it is as notable or non-notable as any other Irish mall article --Letterkennyboi 15:36, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment This article has been deleted through afd and recreated several times by now. It has not been improved in any way since its last deletion, and it was a unanimous "delete" last time round. Furthermore, this article makes use of no reliable secondary sources. Ah, I see that it does. It is still hard to see how this list of stores could be of use to anyone, besides functioning as an advertisement of the centre. Pathless 19:44, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
Comment - further to my original point it would be as useful to anyone who wanted to know what the shopping facilities in Letterkenny were. Which to many people is probably more interesting than many classes of Wiki article, such as the series of articles on the types and serial numbers of diesel engines CIE used on what line in the various decades since WW2. "Useful" is not a Wiki criteria; notability is and how a location employing 100+ people and which is a centre of considerable activity is not notable beats me. (Sarah777 21:17, 10 October 2007 (UTC))
It's not notable because it fails the notability criterea on WP:CORP. Pathless 21:23, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
Can't agree. Can you specify the exact criteria you reckon it fails on? (Sarah777 21:46, 10 October 2007 (UTC))
Sure, from WP:CORP: "If the depth of coverage [by reliable secondary sources] is not substantial, then multiple independent sources should be cited to establish notability. Trivial or incidental coverage of a subject by secondary sources is not sufficient to establish notability." Pathless 22:51, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep - Agree with User Talk:Exit2DOS2000 notability is derived from Economic Impact to the community. The community of Letterkenny and maybe even the large area of County Donegal --Balloholic 18:24, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment Please note that an element of "ballot-stuffing" could be present here. Several of these accounts are "single purpose" accounts, contributing almost solely to Letterkenny related articles. Pathless 19:36, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
I'm assuming I'm not including in the alleged stuffing? Also clearly doesn't apply to User:Exit2DOS2000 and hard to see how it could apply to Balloholic either. (Can't see Letterkennyboi's record). I think you should specify who you suspect or withdraw the charge which reads as if it applies to all the rest of us.(Jeez it gets tedious having to do this 4 times - next time do your AfDs one at a time)! (Sarah777 21:25, 11 October 2007 (UTC))
No, I wasn't talking about you, or about User:Exit2DOS2000. You should try to relax, it is obvious that your account is not single pupose. I left a message on your talk page. It is easy to see how it could apply to Balloholic, if you just take a look through his edits. In fact, he seems to share editing habits with several other users. You can see Letterkennyboi's edits here. Pathless 21:35, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
  • Please be aware The Citations I am adding today also are showing that the town that this shopping centre is situated in, is considered to be one of the fastest growing towns in all of Europe. There are several sites devoted to talking about how fast and poorly planed growth has been. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Exit2DOS2000 (talk • contribs) 08:21, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
Yes, nobody is disputing that the town itself is notable. Any mention of its shopping centres could be consigned to a paragraph within the main Letterkenny article. Pathless 09:18, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
So why not apply similar reasoning to all the other buildings and institutions the two editors (which you suspect are really one) have created? Letterkenny has lots of churches - why should any one be notable? Is there something especially notable about Letterkenny library? (Sarah777 10:46, 12 October 2007 (UTC))
No, there is nothing special about them, and if you want to nominate them for deletion, you should go ahead. I have, in fact nominated some of them for deletion already, and I wouldn't bother again, because nominations for institutions like this normally fail. Pathless 10:57, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
Don't put words in my mouth...I do not want to delete the church articles; I want to leave the retail centre articles where they are. (Sarah777 11:09, 12 October 2007 (UTC))
  • Keep - I seriosly can't see how this, over any other, article on a shopping mall is not notable. Look at other articles on Irish shopping malls. What is your opinion on them Pathless?. --Balloholic 21:03, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
Which ones do you mean, though? I think that they could normally be merged into the article on the area, like the one on Blanchardstown Shopping Centre has been, unless they are especially notable in some way. Pathless 21:11, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
Have a look through category of shopping centres in Dublin --Balloholic 21:18, 12 October 2007 (UTC)


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