Wiki143:Articles for deletion/Just a Friend

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Oh baby you....you got what I neeeeed...but you say he's just a friend. You say he's just a friend. Which of course means, keep, nomination withdrawn. Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 21:00, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

Just a Friend

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Non-notable by itself, no sources. Not useful as a redirect imho. Dorftrottel (complain) 02:04, April 15, 2008 02:04, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

• Delete while it was a popular song, it's unlikely to grow beyond a stub (since all the verifiable information about it can be summed as "Top 10 Song" that's been sampled by various artists). It would be a somewhat misleading redirect, and the Artist's article already contains all the relevant information. Per WP:MUSIC, that leaves us with delete. Bfigura ^(talk) 02:42, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
• Keep that it cannot grow beyond a stub is not a reason to delete it; it was a fairly popular song that is still well known today (albeit via some Internet memes) and it was a single. Other singles have survived the AfD process with less. JuJube (talk) 04:10, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

• Comment I've noticed that too. (The other stubby singles surviving bit). I'm just quoting WP:MUSIC above, but I don't have any special attachment to it. If consensus has changed, someone should probably update (or start a discussion) on the guideline's page. Cheers, --Bfigura ^(talk) 04:15, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
• "that it cannot grow beyond a stub is not a reason to delete it" — Correct! And that's also not the rationale in my nomination. Vote keep iff you know of sources or such have been found and introduced by someone else. Sources, sources, sources. Dorftrottel (criticise) 09:25, April 15, 2008

• Strong keep per WP:MUSIC: Songs that have been ranked on national or significant music charts, that have won significant awards or honors or that have been performed independently by several notable artists, bands or groups are probably notable. This song reached #9 on the Billboard Hot 100. Twelve years later, Mario borrowed its chorus for "Just a Friend 2002", which hit #4 on the Hot 100. Among the artists who have performed "Just a Friend" in concert are Eminem and Barenaked Ladies. And MTV and Rolling Stone magazine ranked "Just a Friend" on their list of the top 100 pop songs since 1963. [1] I will help improve the article during this AfD unless other people get to it first. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 06:56, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
  • If the thing is notable, reliable sources accounting for its notability shouldn't be hard to come up with. Do you know any such sources? Dorftrottel (vandalise) 09:21, April 15, 2008

strong keep A song that's been in the top ten is intrinsically notable. Notability is not temporary. Merkin's mum 10:43, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

As for sources, how's about any of these 176 articles that mention the song on google news? [2] people really should used google news to check. There seem to be a few people with the misconception on AfD recently that because there's no sources in an article, it should be deleted. Not so, provided reliable sources exist, they simply need to be added, at most a "references" tag should be put at the top. In the meantime, the subject is still notable and should have an article. Merkin's mum 10:51, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

One of the sources, one of those that don't only talk about how amateurish the rapping is, correctly says that he is notable mainly for this song. Maybe we should merge Biz Markie into this article? I just don't see how having two articles with so sparse content can be a good idea. If we did that with every article, we'd have no problem reaching like 2,493,838 articles, but Wikipedia would be so bloated. Oh, hold on, phone's ringing. Dorftrottel (ask) 11:13, April 15, 2008

• Keep. As mentioned, a top 10 song in the U.S. is notable in spite (because?) of the amateurish performance you mentioned. Hey, he was William Hung before there was William Hung. I could live with a merge to Biz Markie and have the title redirect to him, but of course you don't need Afd for that. Xymmax (talk) 13:10, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Albums and songs-related deletion discussions. -- Fabrictramp (talk) 15:55, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
• Keep. Notable enough.--Berig (talk) 18:31, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
• Reluctantly withdraw. Still don't agree that we need two articles for one notable thing, but nevermind. Dorftrottel (canvass) 19:15, April 15, 2008

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.