Wiki143:Articles for deletion/Jung Sin Yuk-Do

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was Delete. Deathphoenix ʕ 01:40, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

Jung Sin Yuk-Do

Reason Bacmac 03:36, 8 May 2006 (UTC) not notable group A Google search for Jung Sin Yuk Do martial arts comes up with nothing of great note see: http://www.google.com.au/search?hl=en&q=jung+sin+yuk+do&btnG=Google+Search&meta= . Other than the Wikipedia related pages the search only shows two links which point to one website in north queensland. The article contains edits that looks like a case of somebody writing an article about themselves and editing out criticism and calling it vandalism. The discussion pages contain entries by Aaron Barnes who says he used the JSYD school pc to work on the article, there is an edit to the entry by Rod Cook(?) confirming. WP:POV Constant revert editing points to possible Ownership of articles with a further possibility of WP:VANITY (search on founder in wiki brought up: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Rod_Cook Wikipedia:Deletion of vanity articles) I have spent time and gone through the article its edits and discussion pages and I suspect Sock puppetry. The use of legal threats on the discussion page (Legal threats) (Libel), personal attacks and placement of personal details (eg. names, email etc. No personal attacks) appear to be used to stifle or hinder discussion or changes being made to the article. There is a lot of editing to wade through in the article and discussion pages so if any Admin have specific questions I am happy to point them in the direction in an effort to cut down time spent locating it. Bacmac 03:36, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

  • Delete. Due to problems with notability. By the way, the name Rod Cook rings a bell. I think that this article or his might have been at articles for deletion before. Capitalistroadster 10:16, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
  • Note: This debate has been included in the list of Australia-related deletions. -- Capitalistroadster 10:16, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
  • Keep. It is listed on CKD Breakaway Organizations with other styles of similar notability. It could be merged with that page, but it would be inconsistent to merge one article and not the rest. BMurray 23:13, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete. A review of the history of CKD Breakaway Organizations seem to indicate that the JSYD/Advanced Choi Kwang Do/Choi Professionals 'founder' created the list in order to give his newly created organization an appearance of credibility and to place an external hyperlink to its website on the Choi Kwang Do wiki page. Lazydaisy 10:32, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
  • Just for clarification, the CKD Breakaway Organizations page was originally within the main body of the Choi Kwang-Do article under 'Hybrid Styles'. It was added on the 6 June 2005, by user 65.35.195.210 from Florida, USA. This user added 8 out of the current 10 'Hybrid Styles' and, in the introductory paragraph to the section, described some of the styles as "outright forgeries". Given this user's choice of words, they are probably not the founder of any 'styles' in the list. BMurray 12:50, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment. The user contributions for the ip BMurray mentions, shows contibutions done over 3 days with no furhter activity in Wikipedia. Bacmac
  • Keep The user from Largo, Florida, USA originally created the 'Hybrid Styles' section (now CKD Breakaway Organizations) to disparage Shim Shin-Do, a breakaway style of Choi Kwang Do (CKD) which operates in their geographical locality. The user claims to be the instructor of Steve and Shelley Elrod, which a google search shows are members of the CKD Martial Arts International organization; Therefore this user is a member of the CKD Martial Arts International organization. It is alleged that the user BACMAC is from Townsville, the self-proclaimed Australian headquarters for the CKD Martial Arts International organization. It is also alleged that the user Lazydaisy is from Kennesaw, Georgia, USA, which is the actual World headquarters for the CKD Martial Arts International organization. Any user who disagrees with Lazydaisy in article discussions is automatically labelled as 'Rod Cook', which highlights thier personal vendetta. Surely it is wrong for interested parties and direct competitors to have input into such a project, with the aim of reducing exposure of, or discrediting their competitors? BMurray
  • Comment. BMurray to continue typing "Keep" will not result in ballot load of the voting, Comment would be more appropriate for your third entry and would make reading easier. Get rid of the conspiracy theory and instead of allegations against people who are contributing provide information that would support your 'Keep' vote. This article is up for deletion because it has been tagged.." not notable group". Bacmac 10:35, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
  • Keep. Any input from organizations in competition with the subject of the article really should not be given any credence. But if they are, why does the same organization get to use two user names, isn't this a form of 'sockpuppetting'? Just of note for users in this discussion, AfD is not a poll or a 'vote' as perceived by BACMAC. As pointed out before, there are other organizations listed in CKD Breakaway Organizations of similar notability and it would be impracticle to merge them all. BMurray
  • Comment I do not know who Lazydaisy is. Bacmac 14:54, 15 May 2006 (UTC) . Doesn't look like BMurray can contribute anything to to suggest the group in Notable. Bacmac 14:54, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete Doesn't appear to be notable.--Adrift* 17:33, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment BACMAC if you believe the article Jung Sin Yuk-Do is "not notable" then why did you create your account with the immediate purpose of nominating the JSYD article for deletion? BMurray 22:43, 15 May 2006 (UTC)


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