Wiki143:Articles for deletion/Hermes cover

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Withdrawn by Rmky87 due to it's chances of being deleted. Rmky87 03:18, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

Hermes cover

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Self nomination Fails WP:N in my opinion. "Hermes cover" retrieves 742 results on Google. It looked like astroturfing to me; however I wanted to reach consensus here because there is indeed an article called Euler Hermes. Tuxide 07:00, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

• Comment hmm, this seems to be something that requires a bit of expert attention. Euler Hermes seems to be a notable company, and it is possible this term is in common parlance, but the company itself is involved in a bit of an esoteric division of the insurance field, so they're not as well known as say Geico or Progressive Corporation. I certainly don't feel I can even figure out what this article is talking about, so it certainly needs to be rewritten. FrozenPurpleCube 16:48, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
• Comment The purpose of AfD is for us to evaluate the worthiness of the best attempts of authors to create contributions to the encyclopedia. It is not a place where we are suppose to present poorly formatted half-baked things for consideration of worthiness. They may get canned for their half-bakedness. I think you should do your best to wikify it. In so doing you will have to attempt to link it to other articles so it is not Template:Tled and categorize it. After doing so we can see how it compares to things it is categorized with and things that it is related to. I would have voted to delete this if it were not a self nomination. It may need an Template:Tl in the end. However, right now if I were on WP:NPP I would tag this with Template:Tl, Template:Tl, Template:Tl, and Template:Tl. I don't think a self nomination should appear here that is so poorly formatted. It would stand a better chance at surviving AfD with modest improvements. TonyTheTiger 01:01, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

  Comment I've attempted to wikify it on my own, and added most of the templates you suggested. Prominently, I added Template:Tl because it still reads like an ad (although not obvious enough that I would mark it as Template:Tl). Tuxide 02:02, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

• Comment from nominator It looked like astroturfing to me because it was written by Template:User-multi, a single purpose account that uses the same name as the company. Tuxide 01:44, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
• Comment. This WP:SPA is one of the least offensive that I have seen in a while; no changes to Euler Hermes; Im guessing the intent of the article was to inform about a term that is being used in official documents. But it could fail WP:NEO, especially because "Export Credit Guarantee" is only a redirect to Export Credit Agencies. Note that 13 articles mention "Export credit guarantee". If there was an existing article about "export Credit Guarantee", I would say merge there, but at the moment, I think this article is worth keeping, minus some flowery wordage. John Vandenberg 01:07, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Germany-related deletions. -- John Vandenberg 01:39, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Business-related deletions. -- John Vandenberg 01:39, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
• Keep and improve. There should be an Interwiki link to de:Hermes-Bürgschaft. Hermes-Bürgschaft gets over 15,000 ghits. There should also be a redirect from "Hermes guarantee", though I can well imagine that "Hermes cover" is the more common English term, Hermes guarantees are definitely notable, in my opinion. I would have to do more research but, if I recall correctly, they were a major factor in post-war German foreign trade policy and used to be managed directly by the German government, until their management was "privatized". I believe the actual guarantee itself is still backed (directly or indirectly, perhaps in the form of re-insurance) by the German government. According to the German Wikipedia article, the volume of exports covered is over EUR 19 billion (USD 25 billion ). —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Boson (talk • contribs) 08:05, 27 January 2007 (UTC).
• Nomination withdrawn The best way to clean it up, it appears, is to request a translation from de:Hermes-Bürgschaft to English since the German article is more mature. Until then, I have no reason to question its notability. Regards, Tuxide 19:08, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
• Keep. The article is in good shape, and in the hands of the translation team. Rmky87 has already removed the Afd header from the article, and according to "non-administrators closing discussions" can also close this Afd as WP:SNOWBALL or similar. John Vandenberg 02:42, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.