Wiki143:Articles for deletion/GURPS Bio-Tech

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Please defer merge/redirect related discussion to article talk. Can't sleep, clown will eat me 05:33, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

GURPS Bio-Tech

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This article about a set of gaming instructions does not contain context or sourced analysis, detail on a work's development, impact or historical significance to establish notability under WP:Fiction, nor has not received coverage from reliable secondary sources that are independent of the subject. --Gavin Collins 07:47, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

• Delete, redirect and update in List of GURPS books - There is a review at RPGnet ([1]), which in terms of on-line RPG coverage is about as reliable as we're going to get. However, the entry on List of GURPS books is probably enough, with the addition of the Origins Award nomination reference and a ref to the above review for verification. (The list also needs publication dates and whatnot, but that's a different discussion.) Marasmusine 08:05, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
• Redirect to List of GURPS books: I'll do the merging of the essential data myself as soon as possible. (Once more, Gavin, you have seen that non-award-recipient, non-core books get redirected without problems, with or without an AfD debate: why don't you redirect them in the first place? And, this is not an article "about topics within a fictional universe", which WP:Fiction is about: this is about a real, possibly non-notable subject in this universe.)

(OT: Marasmusine, perhaps one could try to discuss, in the RPG WikiProject or somewhere, some specific guidelines for the notability of role-playing and boardgames, in view of the fact that they have a very different distribution and press coverage than, say, movies or novels?) --Goochelaar 12:54, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

• Keep — One of a handful of Origin award nominees makes it mildly notable in the industry. At worst it should be a redirect to List of GURPS books with a summary paragraph. — RJH (talk) 15:26, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

• Comment The article says it was not a winner, but I suppose it was nominated. Incidently, are you or have you every worked for the publisher, Steve Jackson Games? --Gavin Collins 20:06, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

  Please stop insinuating that anyone who opposes your deletion attempts must be an agent of the publishers. -- JHunterJ 21:33, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

  Agreed, that was somewhat uncalled for, especially considering how mild his comment was in support of keeping the article. Please assume good faith. —Dark•Shikari^[T] 00:22, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

• The reason I ask is that there is an article for J. Hunter Johnson who has worked for GURPS in the past. Could JHunterJ answer my question? (In good faith). --Gavin Collins 08:29, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

  I already did, back when it was arguably relevant on the GURPS Monsters AfD. If you're going to initiate these discussions, please at least try to follow them. You were now insinuating that User:RJHall, not I, must work for the industry. Again, in good faith, please stop insinuating that anyone who disagrees with you must have an ulterior reason to do so. -- JHunterJ 11:04, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

• Comment So I can take that to be a "Yes" then? --Gavin Collins 11:57, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

It's on his userpage, so I would have to say yes. Turlo Lomon 12:41, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

Actually, there's nothing on my userpage about RJHall. One more time: Gavin.collins asked here if User:RJHall ever worked for Steve Jackson Games, but then said the reason he asked about RJHall is because the J. Hunter Johnson article exists. There's a disconnect there. But even the first question is equivalent to "Incidently, Gavin.collins, are you or have you ever worked for an anti-RPG organization?" -- JHunterJ 13:14, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

Bah, my fault. I got lost in all the discussion. I meant to say JHunterJ == J. Hunter Johnson. Turlo Lomon 14:54, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

• Keep per RJHall. Origin Awards are not something just handed out. Even a nomination is significant. Turlo Lomon 12:41, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
• Keep. Per above, by virtue of notability for the awards nominations.. • Lawrence Cohen 17:01, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
• Redirect to List of GURPS books. --Craw-daddy | T | 19:33, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
• Keep per RJHall and award nominations. -- JHunterJ 23:29, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
• Keep Just the award nominations show independant sources. Edward321 01:39, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
• Redirect to List of GURPS books. Narrow miss on notability, but the guidelines do say win. Percy Snoodle 13:03, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
• Comment I feel that it is sufficiently notable (nominated for a major gaming award for starters), but it may also be better served by being in a master article. SamBC(talk) 10:16, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
• Redirect. May have been nominated for an award, but I don't see any significant coverage in sources, so we can't really support an article. Mangojuice^talk 13:38, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
• Comment Please read Wikipedia:Village_pump_(policy)#Fancruft_and_Role_playing_games before commenting on this AfD - Fosnez 14:38, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.