Wiki143:Articles for deletion/FreeCulture.org

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 22:37, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

FreeCulture.org

nn websites. alexa 672,000rank D3bv1 03:38, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

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• Speedy keep Seems well referenced, supports notability. Alexa doesn't mean anything. Ryūlóng 03:43, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
• It's true that Alexa Rankings are not terribly useful, but the references really A) aren't all reliable and B) don't all seem to even mention this specific site, let alone constitute meaningful converage under WP:WEB. At least at first glance. Still needs some looking into. --W.marsh 03:54, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

Also, this seems to be more of an organization than a website.--W.marsh 03:56, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

• Speedy keep - reasonably prominent NGO-type group with significant involvement in multiple prominent issues. This resembles a bad faith AfD nomination. My Alt Account 03:56, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
• Keep: : I've seen several nominations like this lately. Dread Lord CyberSkull ✎☠ 04:30, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
• I'll have to abstain since I am largely responsible for writing this article, but I would like to say that if there is something wrong with the way the article is written and/or sourced, I'd welcome everyone's help improving and making it more encyclopedic. I think deletion would be a little harsh. --Skyfaller 05:01, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. This is practically db-club. "Significant involvement in multiple prominent issues" means much less than Alexa rankings. I've never heard of them, so delete. -Justin (koavf)·T·C·M 13:41, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

  Respectfully, most indications of notability trump alexa ratings, except when the subject is a website, which is not really the case here. "I've never heard of them, so delete" - if I could enforce this criterion, only 10% of WP's content would survive (and as we all know, the actual amount of salvageable content here is at least 25%) My Alt Account 13:51, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

• Strong Keep. I have to agree with W.marsh, this is more of an organization than a website, despite the name of its primary webpresnce. Applying WP:ORG, I find that the organization has a verifiable national presence and is thus notable. By the way, I find this whole nomination to be disquieting.-- danntm ^T _C 00:28, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
• Keep - This is an organization that's as Wikipedia as anything. Where better for it to be listed? --AlexWCovington (talk) 01:19, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
• Keep - There's a fascinating history of students fighting Diebold, and I just went to a meeting of a student-led free culture group on another campus. If delete, how about merging this page with the Free Culture movement page? Which seems largely about Wikipedia now, but could be about students struggling against voting machine hijinks as well. -JustinHall 15:22, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
  • Justin! Glad to hear you made it to the USC chapter's meeting :) With all due respect, merging this article with Free Culture movement would be counter-productive, because people continually conflate this student organization with the movement as a whole. Merging these two pages would only perpetuate this error. --Skyfaller 07:03, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
• Keep (possibly with cleanup). Referring to it as a website and measuring it by Alexa is disingenous. It quite clearly states that it's an organization, and that ".org" is merely part of the name they were incorporated under. It even makes reference to its website. Websites don't have websites!  :) As an organization, the article seems to assert its notability well enough. -- Xtifr 01:39, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
• Might be worth mentioning Wikipedia:Notability (organizations) as a guideline for determining notability. I think FreeCulture.org should count as notable by these guidelines, although Free Culture Swarthmore as a local chapter might not. --Skyfaller 14:46, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

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