Wiki143:Articles for deletion/Fake color articles

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The result of the debate was Delete. This is very annoying that they're grouped in one afd and they should each have their own section. Some people just said delete all, and so I will do as such. Some colors here should stay probably, and thus someone should list them on VfU. However I am just gonna delete every color in the heading.. Redwolf24 (talk) 01:43, 25 September 2005 (UTC)

Chili powder (color), Feldspar (color), Fire brick red, Fire engine red, Metallic Rose, Olive-yellow, Pale gray-red, Persian Sunset, Pink-cerise, Red-pink, Raspberry (color), Rose (color), Sphaerocobaltite (color), Terra cotta (color), Tomato (color)

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NOTE TO CLOSING ADMIN - in order to make your job easier, I have attempted to quantify the votes cast for the various colors on this AfD's talk page. If I have misunderstood the votes of any of the editors above, I hope that they will correct my error. Cheers! -- BD2412 ^talk 03:13, 18 September 2005 (UTC)

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A bunch of fake shades of red. You can make up plenty of names (e.g. cherry red, lipstick red, strawberry red, rhubarb red, etc.) but that doesn't mean there is an objective, notable color by that name.

• Chili powder (color) (Supposedly the color of chili powder. I don't think a redirect is appropriate here.)
• Feldspar (color) (Supposedly the color of feldspar. Of course, feldspars have varying colors; I don't think a redirect is appropriate here.)
• Fire brick red (Supposedly the color of a fire brick. No evidence the name isn't simply made up, and of course fire bricks vary in color. I don't think a redirect is appropriate here.)
• Fire engine red (Supposedly the color of fire engines, which, of course, vary in color like any other physical objects. As far as I can tell, "fire engine red", when used in English, isn't a particular shade of red, but simply means "bright red".)
• Metallic Rose (It's a color.)
• Olive-yellow (It's a mix of olive and yellow.)
• Pale gray-red (A pale mix of gray and red.)
• Persian Sunset (I can't find any evidence that this color name exists.)
• Pink-cerise (It's a mix of pink and cerise.)
• Red-pink (It's a mix of red and pink.)
• Raspberry (color) (Supposedly a color that resembles raspberries.)
• Rose (color) (Supposedly a pinkish-red color.)
• Sphaerocobaltite (color) (Supposedly the color of a mineral, sphaerocobaltite.)
• Terra cotta (color) (Supposedly the color of terra cotta. I know people use this phrase as a color name, but I doubt it refers to a specific shade, and more than "tomato red" does.)
• Tomato (color) (Supposedly the color of a tomato. I don't think a redirect to Tomato is useful here.)

Most of these are only linked from list of colors. If deleted, the entries there should be removed, too.

Finally, sorry for the mass listing, but I thought this was better than 15 separate nominations. dbenbenn | talk 18:30, 15 September 2005 (UTC)

• Delete all, except possibly Terra cotta, which is a widely used term and could perhaps be expanded. All articles contain no information at all. Laur 18:39, 15 September 2005 (UTC)
• Delete exhaustive list. If "cinnamon stick red" gets posted, delete the user. paul klenk 19:00, 15 September 2005 (UTC)
• Delete as per Laur except that Rose is a definite Keep in my mind (a rose-red city, half as old as Time re Petra). Dlyons493 19:11, 15 September 2005 (UTC)
• Keep Delete based on what? Colors are certainly notable. Yes, maybe this is taking it a bit too far, but I personally think it's a great reference. I tend to err on the side with more information than on less. --Quasipalm 19:13, 15 September 2005 (UTC)
  • I prefer more information rather than less, too, but this "information" is misleading. For example, on what basis could you assert that "tomato" is the color #FF6347, and not any of the other 2²⁴ other possible RGB colors? dbenbenn | talk 21:34, 15 September 2005 (UTC)

Example of the color raspberry - the kind you find in a second-hand store

• Keep Fire engine red, Terra cotta (color), Raspberry (color), and Rose (color). Delete the rest, which are either novelties or merly combinations (do we want to open the door to metallic pinkish blue with a tinge of taupe?). -- BD2412 ^talk 20:14, 15 September 2005 (UTC)
  • Postscript comment - if raspberry isn't a color, then what the hell was Prince singing about in Raspberry Beret? See also the lesser known Fire-Engine Red Corvette. -- BD2412 ^talk 04:29, 16 September 2005 (UTC)
    • Note - in retrospect, I would also agree with merging Terra cotta (color) into Terra cotta, which is presently a very short article anyway. -- BD2412 ^talk 19:50, 18 September 2005 (UTC)
      • Having spent waaay too much mulling over this question, I've concluded that Terra cotta (color) should definitely be merged into Terra cotta, as the color is one of the defining characteristics of the clay. -- BD2412 ^talk 00:36, 19 September 2005 (UTC)
• Merge to Red. Most of these articles are very short on their own. — Phil Welch 21:18, 15 September 2005 (UTC)
• Merge as per Philwelch --TimPope 21:37, 15 September 2005 (UTC) see also below
• Merge what? The arbitrary color values? Unless there is a standard that can be referenced, these are OR. Delete unless sourced. User:Zoe|^(talk) 21:52, 15 September 2005 (UTC)
  • Fair comment, merge those which can be sourced as official names, delete rest --TimPope 21:57, 15 September 2005 (UTC)
• Keep those mentioned by BD2412 + Sphaerocobaltite (color) & Feldspar (color) (sure the minerals vary in color, but so does gold) -- Anetode 22:32, 15 September 2005 (UTC)
• Comment - well, Rose is a color, but my google search found it refered more than once as hex #FF00CC, which is not what the article says. Is there a definitive standard for defining colors? -Satori ^(talk) 23:36, 15 September 2005 (UTC)

• There are various shades of any such color (for instance, this gimp pallete[1] features many versions of rose) and the Terra cotta (color) mentions two different RGB coordinates. If there are variations on a specific "named" color, they should be listed as well. Anetode 06:46, 16 September 2005 (UTC)

• Delete those where a definitive standard/reference/something cannot be found. As it is they all look like arbitrary original research. Note I don't mean A Big Book, a simple image is good enough for me (for example Falu red). Sliggy 00:16, 16 September 2005 (UTC)
• Merge into Shades of red —Wahoofive (talk) 00:19, 16 September 2005 (UTC)
• Delete original research. No source is given for these, although "Fire brick red" is apparently from X11. I and another user asked User:67.85.2.175 for sources on the others, but received no response. The perception and identification of colors is often more subtle than finding a set of RGB triples that "look right." Gazpacho 02:02, 16 September 2005 (UTC)

  and besides that, why have articles about colors named after things, when we could just get pictures of the things? Gazpacho

  Look, I could care less about RGB coordinates - red, green, and blue existed long before there were agreed-upon numerical standards to measure them by. The fact is, when you say someone's car was fire-engine red, it evokes a particular shade of red (or range of shades) based on our common experience with fire engines (even tho those in my town are light green). Same thing with Raspberry - the fact that its used as a descriptor in a hit song is verification enough for me that it deserves an article. -- BD2412 ^talk 19:53, 16 September 2005 (UTC)

• Ugh. Delete all, because trying to reach consensus on which of these we've each heard of and which we haven't may be impossible. (For what it's worth, I've heard of "Rose", "Fire Engine Red", "Terra Cotta", and Raspberry", so I wouldn't mind "merging" those (basically just mentioning their names) in the Red article.) The particular color samples and RGB values have got to go - they are either a choice from an arbitrary source, or OR. Bunchofgrapes 04:45, 16 September 2005 (UTC)
• Delete them all. I can't imagine any but at most a dozen or so colors could have more than a substub and a lot of arguing about the precise shade. Tuf-Kat 07:10, 16 September 2005 (UTC)
• Keep the following - Terra Cotta, Rose, Fire Engine Red, and Raspberry. Delete all others. Mindmatrix 15:40, 16 September 2005 (UTC)
• Delete or merge. Actually a sufficient article already exists List of colors so no merge is necessary. I feel I should mention that today someone reverted List of colors so it only includes colors that have their own article. I think we should do quite the opposite and delete all the articles (with a few notable exceptions) and use only List of colors. Vicarious 01:17, 17 September 2005 (UTC)
• Keep Fire engine red and Rose (color). No vote on others. Merging and redirection may be appropriate, although this is probably not the proper forum for that discussion. — Knowledge Seeker দ 13:24, 18 September 2005 (UTC)
• Keep Fire engine red, Terra cotta (color), Raspberry (color), and Rose (color). Delete everything else. BlankVerse ∅ 16:20, 18 September 2005 (UTC)
• Delete all. Non-encyclopedic. Peter ^Isotalo 17:31, 18 September 2005 (UTC)
• Keep this shouldn't be a single vote, theseshould be deleted on case-by-case basis. Like Carl Sherer's puzzles some could be notable and I can't be bothered to check them all.  Grue  17:57, 18 September 2005 (UTC)
• Keep Feldspar (color), Fire engine red, Raspberry (color), Rose (color), and Sphaerocobaltite (color), and merge Terra cotta (color) to Terra cotta. No opinion on the others. -Sean Curtin 00:25, 19 September 2005 (UTC)
• Keep Fire engine red but change it to a different shade. In psycholinguistic literature "fire engine red" is frequently used to refer to the "focal" red color, i.e. the kind of red that most people would agree is the reddest red. I've always thought of "fire engine red" as being more like FF0000. The color on the page is more like maroon.
  • — Preceding unsigned comment added by 200.164.55.72 (talk • contribs) --BD2412
• Comment: the few that I have checked were all created by aka who has proven remarkably resistant to polite enquiries as to the source of his information. I suspect that when my round tuit arrives, the remainder will prove to be from the same source. Unless otherwise stated, my vote will be to keep the X11-derived colours, with a possible view to later merging of similar shades into various [[Shades of...]] articles, and to delete those others for which no sensible derivation can be found. HTH HAND —Phil | Talk 13:45, 20 September 2005 (UTC)
  • NB - the only colors in this nomination on the list of X11-derived colors are Fire brick red and Tomato (color). Vote count on the talk page adjusted accordingly. -- BD2412 ^talk 15:54, 20 September 2005 (UTC)
• Delete the lot. good catch. --fvw* 19:38, 20 September 2005 (UTC)
• Merge terra cotta as above - useless on its own, keep fire engine red but delete (or redirect as appropriate) the rest. --Celestianpower ^hab 21:32, 20 September 2005 (UTC)

  Also keep rose, missed it, sorry. --Celestianpower ^hab 21:34, 20 September 2005 (UTC)

• Keep all. It seems to be quite useful. The names are merely out of common use. I might find this useful when I'm writing web pages. ;-) It seems appropriate for an encylopedia. -- Natalinasmpf 00:28, 23 September 2005 (UTC)

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• NOTE TO CLOSING ADMIN - in order to make your job easier, I have attempted to quantify the votes cast for the various colors on this AfD's talk page. If I have misunderstood the votes of any of the editors above, I hope that they will correct my error. Cheers! -- BD2412 ^talk 03:13, 18 September 2005 (UTC)

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