Wiki143:Articles for deletion/Cosmic ray deflection society

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or on a Votes for Undeletion nomination). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was No Consensus. Redwolf24 (talk) 00:11, 19 October 2005 (UTC)

Cosmic ray deflection society

Non notable I think (but I might just make one of those hats). Perhaps a candidate for BJAODN. See also Dysonberg Confusion Principle CambridgeBayWeather 05:37, 7 October 2005 (UTC) See below. CambridgeBayWeather 06:53, 11 October 2005 (UTC)

• Delete nonsense (maybe not quite patent). --Trovatore 06:09, 7 October 2005 (UTC)
  • It does look much better now. Weak keep. --Trovatore 01:53, 11 October 2005 (UTC)
• The patent must at least be pending for this nonsense. Give it the elbow. Grutness...wha? 07:44, 7 October 2005 (UTC)

The group themselves may be spouting nonsense but that is not a reason to delete. I think these people, Heaven's Gate (cult) and Order of the Solar Temple, are also spouting nonsense (and a lot more dangerous) but I would not want to see them deleted. The reason here to delete is non-notability. CambridgeBayWeather 08:00, 7 October 2005 (UTC)

• Delete, inconsequential nonsense. Can't they even get a decent website? Average Earthman 08:33, 7 October 2005 (UTC)
• Delete --Wetman 09:17, 7 October 2005 (UTC)
• Tentative, precarious keep, as per CambridgeBayWeather's second contribution to discussion. As for notability, looking through google, I think for now it's notable enough. However, it needs to be wikified, cleaned up, and made neutral or at least given a npov tag. --Qirex 11:29, 7 October 2005 (UTC) ps. god bless evangelical zealots who encourage this kind of anti-science

I was unsure as to their notability which is why I didn't tag it as a speedy. If others feel that the group as such has some sort of notability then it should be kept. CambridgeBayWeather 15:46, 7 October 2005 (UTC)

• Delete, there are not many unique Google results if quotes are used. I don't think anyone will be looking for it in ten years, either. -- Kjkolb 03:22, 8 October 2005 (UTC)
• I wrote the three articles in contention here. I am also aswell, a chef/webservices specialist in New Orleans. Sorry that I registered after I wrote these entries. Reach me at a.asell(at)gs.net.

We have about 250 members world wide, including many artcart artists, environmentalists and art critics. We are a humorous environmental group. We were a major player in the web goes black, back in 1996 and were one of the first groups to call attention to the whole in the ozone in the 2 year period back in 73, when no one seemed to care. We were the ones with the holes in our heads then. I have looked at all the pages of those of you that want to delete the cosmic rays from this site and am surprised that none of you see the tongue in cheek humor/putdown of the psuedo-sciences. While at the same time producing some rather interesting recycled art. Here's a list of awards, articles, links and more. I am correcting the original page to fix the links... One last question, why does my name come up empty? Do I need a page on myself (the ultimate vanity) where everyone else can come in and edit?

Accoladeswe have received... Web Awards, Geek Site of the Day, Morts top 99% of the web, Freedom Finger Award as well as several site of the days, now defunct. We have appeared in... Two movies, Wild Wheels by Harrod Blank and Life & Death at Barrister's Newspapers and magazines... AP wire article picked up by 130 newspapers Omni Magazine Article in Raw Vision Bands Plan Nine and Eugene Chadbourne have dedicated songs to the society. Plus... 645 links in parenthesis on Google Organizations that link to our organization...

Science Humor in the Yahoo! Directory

Anti-Censorship Page

Aluminum Foil Deflector Beanie

The Church of the SubGenius

The Environment Directory - Science:Atmospheric Science:Ozone

University of Utah, the High Resolution Fly's Eye (HiRes) is an experiment to study the highest energy cosmic rays to determine the energy, direction, and chemical composition of the incident particle.

Factbites

Super-Kamiokande is a joint Japan-US collaboration to construct the world's largest underground neutrino observatory.

Scientific Computing at Evergreen State College

Business Council on the Environment

Merge Valloween and Dysonburg Confusion Principle which are also under penalty of death. also aswell 07:05, 8 October 2005 (UTC)

• Delete. I'd like first to thank Alsoaswell for taking the time to find out what Wikipedia is, what it's all about, and what it is not. Your long additions to the always-burgeoning AfD page are.. wait, I'm being sarcastic. Sorry. *ahem* Your group is NN - very funny ideas, but unless referenced to prove relevance to anyone outside their circle, I say again: delete. Wikipedia isn't about funny ideas. It's an encyclopedia. Eaglizard 10:45, 8 October 2005 (UTC) Abstain. Eaglizard 05:16, 9 October 2005 (UTC)

• Reply to Eaglizard: I don't find that attitude to be appropriate at all; we were all new at some point, and honestly, it's not the end of the world that someone made an honest mistake. Get a life. -- (the following paragraph also written by me)
  Qirex 11:00, 8 October 2005 (UTC)

Reply to Alsoaswell:Wikipedia is not meant to be cryptic or sarcastic, it's just an encyclopaedia, and so, in my opinion, these articles should not present this information as if this is a serious weirdo-collective. There are plenty of articles around about internet jokes etc, but they are explicit and clear in the explanation of the joke. I stand by my original vote to keep (and the other related articles should merge), and I strongly suggest that the author, also aswell, should change the style of writing and the content to explain what this organisation is about etc. But, so as not to mess with Wikipedia policy, this should be done after this nomination has been decided upon. With regard to the page on yourself, yes, create it, just click on your name in the upper right corner of the page (next to "My talk, Preferences..."). The structure of Wikipedia is such that these pages are created in a different directory and indexed differently to the articles etc (and attacking Wikipedia directly is not going to help you plead your case, honestly). Please read the help pages for more info. -- (the preceding two paragraphs both written by me) Qirex 11:00, 8 October 2005 (UTC)

• Reply to Quirex I followed the directions at the helpless newbie page and dropped by The Welcoming Committee and picked a member who I think will help me bring the cosmic ray page into compliance along the lines of Sub Genius. I live in New Orleans and have a lot of other things going on in my life right now so I don't have a lot of time to devote to this, but I am starting to see that I need a serious re-edit of the article. If anyone here cares to help out, please feel free to join in. I feel that I have shown enough links to show that the organization is real and respected in humor, physics, outsider artists, free speech and just plain wierdo circles. I am just asking for a little time to get my first attempt right. Thanks for any of you that have bothered to check my references.

also aswell 16:26, 8 October 2005 (UTC)

• I have done an edit and realize there are still too many quotes from the original manuscripts, but I feel this is a good start on satisfying some of the problems that have been pointed out. Again, I ask for a bit more time to work this out as I have other business/flood/hurricane related problems that really need addressing. also aswell 19:15, 8 October 2005 (UTC)

• Reply to Qirex: 1) You're right. 2) You correctly chastise my lousy attitude (I was annoyed after having been working off this AfD list for about 5 hours, and I mistakenly got the (researched) impression that this was an attempt to slide a popular joke / hoax site into the 'pedia under the guise of a straight face), but then you tell me to 'get a life'? Eaglizard 05:00, 9 October 2005 (UTC)

• To Alsoaswell: I apologize. My sarcasm was completely misplaced in this forum, and not very clever, either. I prefer it when I act like this; I don't know wtf was up with me here. Again, sorry. I've changed my vote to 'abstain'. Thanks for contributing! Eaglizard 05:16, 9 October 2005 (UTC)

• Keep: Along with Qirex, I believe the group is sufficiently notable. The article has been improved to make it clear that the group is satirical, and now satisfies basic Wikipedia standards. also aswell did most of the work himself, after receiving some coaching tips from me on his talk page, so I am confident that he is willing to learn and conform to Wikipedia policies. Mamawrites 10:08, 9 October 2005 (UTC)

• Keep Having read through everything again, and the fact that also aswell took the time to work on the article (and ask for help). I have checked the links and think that I was hasty (not the first time) and wish to change my vote. CambridgeBayWeather 06:53, 11 October 2005 (UTC)

• Keep: I did my homework and learned a lot about how Wikipedia in the process. So I decided I knew enough to vote. also aswell 07:30, 11 October 2005 (UTC)

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