Wiki143:Articles for deletion/Christopher Culver
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This page is an archive of the proposed deletion of the article below. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page, if it exists; or after the end of this archived section. The result of the debate was delete. Bratschetalk 5 pillars July 3, 2005 16:02 (UTC)
Christopher Culver
Article does not present any evidence of notability. CDC (talk) 23:25, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)
- Delete nn vanity/self-promotion. --Etacar11 02:06, 25 Jun 2005 (UTC)
- Delete. Unsuccesful campaign for a position as an officer in a relatively obscure organization does not establish notability. Pburka 03:37, 25 Jun 2005 (UTC)
- Delete self promotion. JamesBurns 03:58, 25 Jun 2005 (UTC)
- I do not vote for delete or retain, I merely wish to say that this is *not* self-promotion, as I have nothing to do with the article. The original was written at the Esperanto Wikipedia by some Esperantists upset at my essay hosted at my website about leaving the Esperanto movement. Someone at the Esperanto Wikipedia must have figure that if something exists in the E-o Wikipedia, it should be translated everywhere else, even if it will be of no interest to anyone not a speaker of that made-up language. Crculver 04:02, 25 Jun 2005 (UTC)
- I created the English version of the article, in the form of a direct translation, as stated in the edit summary. I do not vote for delete or retain either. I would just like to say that I did not translate the article because I support it, but rather:
- to draw to the attention of English wikipedians the petty way in which Esperantists attack anyone who criticises their beloved movement, even on wikipedia which is meant to be neutral
- to draw to the attention of Esperanto wikipedians what rightfully happens to crappy, irrelevant, POV articles like the ones they have about the Esperanto movement, when put in a well-run wikipedia like the English one.
- WP:POINT and all that, yes I know, but this VfD gives some very useful ammo to anyone wanting to knock some sense into the POV-pushers over at eo:
- 80.229.160.150 28 June 2005 10:30 (UTC)
- I created the English version of the article, in the form of a direct translation, as stated in the edit summary. I do not vote for delete or retain either. I would just like to say that I did not translate the article because I support it, but rather:
- Delete Had he been successful in gaining office, it would merit retaining. --billlund 04:05, Jun 25, 2005 (UTC)
- Delete. I'm afraid you're not notable in any language, Chris... --Gabriel Beecham/Kwekubo 23:52, 25 Jun 2005 (UTC)
- Keep. He is noteworthy because as he left the Esperanto movement, he left a scathing essay which has caused a bit of a stir among Esperantists: Why Esperanto Suppresses Language Diversity: Thoughts on Leaving the Esperanto Movement. Primarily, he was critical of Esperantists not following their mission statement, the [Prague Manifesto]. His arguments have been countered by the UEA in an article "Why Esperanto Supports Language Diversity" (Microsoft Word document, English translation from the original Esperanto). That being said, the article needs to be fleshed out to reflect this. --Yekrats 28 June 2005 18:35 (UTC)
- Culver's essay seems to be something of a mountain made out of a molehill. His arguments were not countered by the UEA, but by a TEJO-volunteer writing in a non-official capacity; although a separate overly-hostile response did appear in the official TEJO bulletin. -Gabriel Beecham/Kwekubo 30 June 2005 03:19 (UTC)
- Sorry about that (about the UEA misattribution, that is). Yes, indeed, you're right.
- Even if they didn't write it, the hosting URL -- http://co.uea.org/~tejo/diversity.doc -- does seem to imply some kind of official blessing. (I assume that "co" is "centra oficejo" / central office.) 130.246.132.26 30 June 2005 13:49 (UTC)
- Sorry about that (about the UEA misattribution, that is). Yes, indeed, you're right.
- Culver's essay seems to be something of a mountain made out of a molehill. His arguments were not countered by the UEA, but by a TEJO-volunteer writing in a non-official capacity; although a separate overly-hostile response did appear in the official TEJO bulletin. -Gabriel Beecham/Kwekubo 30 June 2005 03:19 (UTC)
- Delete while I found this interesting, the interaction of a college student with an obscure academic group not reported by anyone outside of that group is not particularly notable. --Habap 30 June 2005 14:22 (UTC)
- If we had an article on Kazimerz Bein or on the anti-Esperanto movement (assuming there is one), perhaps mention of these folks there would be appropriate. --Habap 30 June 2005 14:25 (UTC)
- Oops, I spelled his name wrong. It is Kazimierz Bein. I'll change it in the article. -- Yekrats 30 June 2005 14:48 (UTC)
- If we had an article on Kazimerz Bein or on the anti-Esperanto movement (assuming there is one), perhaps mention of these folks there would be appropriate. --Habap 30 June 2005 14:25 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be placed on a related article talk page, if one exists; in an undeletion request, if it does not; or below this section.