Wiki143:Articles for deletion/Americans Abroad!!! Against Me!!! Live in London!!!

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The result was keep. (ESkog)^(Talk) 22:50, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

Americans Abroad!!! Against Me!!! Live in London!!!

This is a future album. WP:NOT - not a crystal ball. Massmato 15:23, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

• Keep - This is not a case of Wikipedia being a crystal ball. Everything about this album has been confirmed by the record distributor, it's just a matter of waiting out the days until it can be bought. Nowah Balloon 1:31pm, 23 July 2006 (HST)
• delete - TBH I;m not entirely sure we'd need a page for a released albulm by this band either. Artw 15:57, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
• Keep - Future albums released by bands or musicians are all over Wikipedia (see [1]). If you check, this is listed on their official site (see news [2]), Fat Wreck Chord's site [3], and on Amazon [4]. And to Artw, is that supposed to be a biased statement? Not to assume anything but it sounds like you don't want an article for a release by them because you don't like the band. Most of their other albums by the band have articles for them. sharpdust 16:36, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
  • I don't see Wikipedia as a place for track listings for albulms that have no inherent notability (notability that would come through widespread cultural impact of some kind). To be honest I have no idea what the actual policy is on this, and others may disagree, but it seems like a reasonable opinion. Artw 17:54, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
    • To ArtW: What exactly do you mean by widespread cultural impact? Like what album released has ever made a widespread cultural impact? The only thing that comes to mind are albums released by The Beatles (Sgt._Pepper's_Lonely_Hearts_Club_Band), Pink Floyd (The Wall, or Nirvana (Nevermind) as they definitively made an impact on music. If that were the case, then thousands upon thousands of album articles would need to be deleted because nothing recently has made that much of an impact. As far as I'm concerned, any album released (released as in stores or online, not out of the trunk of someone's car) by a musician should be allowed to have an article. sharpdust 22:23, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
    • I think the general rule is that the existence of other articles which perhaps shouldn't be here (future albums etc etc) doesn't mean that any specific article of that type needs to be here - so just because there are other forthcoming albums around the place doesn't mean that this one needs to be here. Without having looked at the entire category, I can't speculate on why they're there, but it's presumably a notability thing - albums by big-name artists tend to be more notable than debuts by relative unknowns, f'rinstance. BigHaz 01:56, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
      • To BigHaz: Notability is a matter of opinion. And this is not a debut by a relatively unknown, they have been around for awhile. sharpdust 22:23, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
      • I have to agree with deleting the article. While I like this band, the album is not out yet. I think the article should be deleted for now and then put back up when the album actually comes out. Josh, 22 July 2006 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.195.103.44 (talk • contribs)
• Keep- If the track listing and Album art have already been confirmed. I see no problem with it. --Diehard2k5 03:27, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
• Keep and add an external link or two for good measure. --Merovingian - Talk 03:31, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
  • I have updated it a litle bit so it's a little more informative. sharpdust 22:23, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
• Keep If the information (Track list and album art) is verifiable (like their label's website), then it doesn't seem to qualify as being a crystal ball. --Braintoad 09:24, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.