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2005Welcome! Hello, BirgitteSB/Archive 1, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are a few good links for newcomers:
I hope you enjoy editing here and being a Wikipedian! Please sign your name on talk pages using four tildes (~~~~); this will automatically produce your name and the date. If you need help, check out Wikipedia:Where to ask a question, ask me on my talk page, or place Thank you for the info. I think I've got my sig down now. --BirgitteSB July 7, 2005 18:48 (UTC) Talk in the bottomWhen using talk pages, please start new threads at the bottom of the page, not at the top. Tnx. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 7 July 2005 20:58 (UTC) VotingYou can place your votes by using four tildes ~~~~. Thanks for your support, though. Zscout370 (Sound Off) 04:15, 10 July 2005 (UTC) Thank youThanks for your excellent contribution to Polynesia. The collaboration is off to a great start. A tip - Leave four tildas ~~~~ and your user name plus a time stamp will be generated. Regards, lots of issues | leave me a message 01:25, 11 July 2005 (UTC) Polynesia mapI am working on it. Someone provided me a very large file, so don't worry about that task of the collaboration. lots of issues | leave me a message 02:30, 15 July 2005 (UTC) SignatureActually, the easiest way is just to click the "signature" box on the editing bar (the row of boxes that is above the editing space on the edit page, starting with a B for bold and an I for italic) - the signature box is second from the end. Otherwise, you should use four tildes: ~~~~, which will addyour signature plus the date. Cheers! -- BD2412 talk 18:19, July 18, 2005 (UTC) Please complete your afd nominationsThank you for your efforts to keep transwikied source material off of Wikipedia. However, I must ask you to please read Wikipedia:Articles for deletion#How to list pages for deletion before making any more afd nominations. Since you've been missing steps II and III, nobody will see your nominations unless someone else finds them on Category:Pages for deletion and lists them for you (which is a very time-consuming process, even with bot assistance). This also causes the articles you're trying to get deleted to stay in Wikipedia for longer than they otherwise would. —Cryptic (talk) 16:38, 24 December 2005 (UTC)
wsthank you indeed, the template is very useful; I was very unhappy with all the broken links generated by the split of wikisource into subdomains. I put the entire text of Hesychius on wikisource, but I couldn't find it after the split. dab (ᛏ) 17:14, 26 December 2005 (UTC)
AnsweredI've replied to your query on my talk page. —Cryptic (talk) 16:02, 27 December 2005 (UTC) |
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2006John of GauntWhat is the contradiction you refer to? Choess 04:32, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
about gettysburg addressI think I put it in the right place in bulgarian sector.--Makedonas 02:31, 10 January 2006 (UTC) s:Transwiki:Conversion of Dale-GudbrandThanks for informing me. Feel free to delete it, as I wouldn't know what to do with it, and at any rate, copyvios need to go. Have a nice day. :) Johnleemk | Talk 07:39, 20 January 2006 (UTC) ArbComI want to thank everyone who took the time to vote on my ArbCom candidacy. I have placed some thoughts on this matter on my user pageand would welcome your thoughts.--Edivorce 23:36, 23 January 2006 (UTC) TranswikiThanks for the notice. I think it's because this is a step of the transwiki process that is commonly ignored due to obscurity. Johnleemk | Talk 04:03, 28 January 2006 (UTC) Source textActually, it's both a source text (the James Madison content) and a copyvio. Just Googled one of the paragraphs. :) - Lucky 6.9 04:33, 5 February 2006 (UTC) It's what I do. :)) Thanks for the nice words. Best, Lucky 6.9 04:36, 5 February 2006 (UTC) source stuffIf you find material here which is already on Wikisource, be bold. Don't {{prod}} it - chop it yourself and put in a {{wikisource}} tag. See Excelsior (Longfellow) and Barbara Frietchie by John Greenleaf Whittier for example. -- RHaworth 19:40, 5 February 2006 (UTC) Thanks for your understanding note on WikinomicsThanks for your kind words. I like to share and wikipedia has been a great place for me to write articles on topics I am knowledgeable. I have met several interesting people working on articles together. I was a little shocked when as soon as I added my article on Wikinomics that it was marked for a "candidate for deletion" because there were less than 100 hits in Google. Seems somewhat odd. It would have been nicer to just suggest a different location. But what is still not clear to me is what if this is not original research? Could it just the application description of transaction costs to wikipedia, something anyone with a basic class in economics could do? Is that a valid article to write? Then to be told to put it back on wikipedia only created more confusion. I think your idea to put it back into wikipedia just just under a dry topics like "economics" and "transaction costs of shared knowledge systems" is a good idea. I can then talk to other people about it that care about those topics and we can all write a good articles together. There are plenty of good sources I can quote from my economics and knowledge managment textbooks. I am frustrated, but I understand that there really is not a place for collaborative discussion yet on new topics there people threaten to delete thoughtful work. The article was really part of an economics assignment for a class, but with all this moving back an forth I think that Microsoft Word is a good format also :-O. YIKES! Anyway, thanks again for your sympathetic note and your empathy. Nice to see that there is someone else out there that cares about my feelings. I just wanted them to be validated. OK, now I feel much better. :-) - Dan --Dan 18:04, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
AgRe your user page: Yeah, I know the anti-agriculture bias you are talking about. I think we can slowly counter that by using high-quality references to back up factual statements in ag related articles. It's frustrating sometimes to deal with the pseudoscience and rumors that some people take as fact.... ike9898 20:16, 1 March 2006 (UTC FYROM or Republic of MacedoniaThank you for clarifying that Birgitte and I hope you are not getting tired of all this. I have posted some comments to your explanation, along with a response to User:E Pluribus Anthony who had also responded on my sketch. I think you should read both. NikoSilver (T) @ (C) 12:07, 13 April 2006 (UTC) CopyvioYou stated that there was a copy-vio of the article on Phoebe Buffay's songs. Could you possibly state the URL for the copy-vio. Thanks, Kilo-Lima|(talk) 19:38, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
Your comment...(I mean this one), could it possibly mean something along the lines of: ?
I copied your comment here above for continuity, so let's continue in your place, not mine, if you agree :-). Ok, I sincerely think that with your proposal you have given an idea that will really help to end this bickering. My first impression would be that the most acceptable name from all sides, would be the one I proposed above. The quick reasons I can think of right now follow:
What do you think? NikoSilver (T) @ (C) 16:58, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
So, where were we Birgitte, before the phone rang? NikoSilver (T) @ (C) 17:15, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
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Wikisource inclusionI noticed you have recently tagged some articles for moving to Wikisource. I wanted to talk to you especially about the splitting off of data from and article and then tagging it for WS. The English Wikisource community has recently decided to exclude all data and reference material which is not attached to a larger work available on Wikisource. Although we have not yet deleted the material which currently exists at WS, please be aware this sort of material will no longer be accepted. --Birgitte§β ʈ Talk 03:52, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
Huh?Hi Birgitte, What article were you specifically refering to? Regards, —Khoikhoi 05:20, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
brigittewow, brigitte, your name is so impressive !!!!! Unixer 11:20, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
TranswikiArgh, that was my fault, sorry, I hadn't actually checked the history of the page; I'd just been checking WP:AFD/Old, and it was listed as a page that required moving to Wikisource (I did Fort Laramie Treaty of 1868), and I noticed the old AFD tag, and after checking the AFD to make sure I wasn't seeing things, removed it and added Template:Tl. I probably should've actually checked the process for transwiki for things that aren't suitable for Wikisource :-) Jude (talk,contribs,email) 12:18, 2 May 2006 (UTC) Migration to WikisourceI've completed migrating all of the articles on the list that you left me to Wikisource links (along with cleaning up the citations, etc, while I was at it). I'm not sure, however, what the issue might've been with Helaman, and I haven't seen you on IRC, so I thought that I'd leave you a message here to ask what the issue with it was. Jude (talk,contribs,email) 02:22, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
Hi, Thanks for the post on my talk. I'm intrigued by your user page links! (e.g. I just navigated into Wheel Warring proposal) I'm out of wikiTime for the moment, RL intrudes, but I'll check back and give things a closer read later this evening. Thanks again, // FrankB 20:34, 26 May 2006 (UTC) Okay, I wadded through that, and even suggested to a few that they may want to look in... including a librarian friend who has been a great comfort and resource. Thanks and Best regards // FrankB 17:58, 30 May 2006 (UTC) ZechariahI noticed this about two hours ago, but it was right before I went to make dinner, and as such I forgot to fix it! Bah! Thanks for reminding me, I'll go do that right now... Just to work out which script I need to run it through... Jude (talk) 11:41, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
Ang.wikisourceHi! I didn't know that the Ang: wikisource had been created until you told me about it, so thanks for letting me know! I'll try to put up some things to the en: domain when I can, I'm just wondering if it's the right place to put documents in a foreign language (is Goethe in German or English there?). If there's any help or advice you could offer me on any of the ang: sites, please do! I'm always open to new ideas on wiki. James--66.177.127.7 17:57, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
In future... deletion... etc.... Sorry about that - it came out much more salty than I had intended. I don't fault any individual members, and have proposed an alteration to the deletion policy to encourage more contact effort before closing the deletion. I would very much appreciate it if you could restore the documents temporarily so I can grab the formatting, and I will do the work on the alternate sourcing (and Ideally get a GFDL-compatible license issued from the archives department at hte Baha'i World Centre on the other texts as well, if possible). Thank you so much for getting back to me, and please forgive my tone of frustration, which was in no way intended personally. (Guess I should apologize to zhalashar too. <sigh>) --Christian Edward Gruber 16:50, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
Foolish consistencyPlease accept my apologies for my ignorance regarding Emerson's Self-Reliance. I will be more careful when tagging things in the future. --Varco 16:27, 16 June 2006 (UTC) s:List of victims of the 1913 Great Lakes stormIt's been AFD'd from every project (besides Wikiquote, basically), with each vote saying that the page belongs on a different project; so I couldn't just re-add it to Wikipedia, and I doubt they are yet taking lists of victims anyways. Nobody has any clue what they're doing around here. Oh well. That was a waste of a good month :) — BRIAN0918 • 2006-06-21 22:10 Transwikis to WikisourceHi Birgitte, got your message about sending stuff to Wikisource. If there are some particular ones I've sent over that you want to review the copyright status, could you let me know? I might have overlooked a copyright check, or might have another reason or other. Thank you very much! TheProject 21:53, 22 June 2006 (UTC) Removal of Copyvio noticesWhen you remove a tag speeedy delete by reason of copyvio [1] , please list as a normal copyvio. Although a source is needed to fulfill the speedy delete criteria, the lack of one does not make it any less of a copyright infringment. Thanks. --Birgitte§β ʈ Talk 16:03, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
Re:Wikisource accountThank you for the update. Can this be fixed?--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 19:07, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
TranswikiingThanks for pointing me to the transwiki instruction page--I should have realized there had to be more to the process than just copying and pasting. I'll get right on sorting that out. --RobthTalk 23:13, 24 June 2006 (UTC) Thanks for taking the time!I hadn't noticed you'd also put a reasoned response on the RFA talk page at first. Cool. Thank you for taking the time to discuss things on the Sean Black RFA. People should do that more. Especially when they're being as logical and polite (which you are!) :-) Notice that I'm not saying that anyone is out for revenge or any such thing. Just that RFA is biased towards people who have had bad experiences with a candidate. I sometimes have a tendency to put things briefly and a tad crudely. Perhaps I have to be just a tad more careful, as it takes a lot more time to explain exactly what I meant after doing so. (It does attract attention of course, so it's a tricky tradeoff :-)) Kim Bruning 22:40, 22 July 2006 (UTC) Re: Wikipedia:Copyright reviewI wanted to point out that I have come across many cases of clear copyright violations which do not qualify for the speedy deletion criteria. Generally it is because they are older than 48 hours; as I do not participate in RC patrol, I guess I don't find the new ones. However most of the violations I have found would also fail the "commercial" requirement even if they were new enough. With that in mind I find the advice to use speedy clear copyright violations misleading.--Birgitte§β ʈ Talk 21:20, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
HowdyHey Jen! Didn't hear from you: how was your dinner that night? We (the 10 of us) had pizzas in this Italian restaurant just off Harvard Square. Where did you go and with whom? You have to give me evidence, though - you've passed on your "show-me" disease to me ;) Cheers. --Filip (§) 19:36, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
Alleged copyvioGreetings. You seem upset with me. It's a shame that dealing with the backlog at WP:CP is often such a thankless task. Wikipedia does try to respect the copyrights of other nations, in the sense that we consider works created in Iran to be copyrighted even though those copyrights are not enforceable here. But as Wikipedia servers are in Florida, we do not recognize the copyrights of works whose copyright is considered to have expired in the U.S, or works that are not considered copyrightable here. (Mexico, for example, protects works for 99 years after the death of the author, and France considers photographs of buildings to be violations of the architect's copyright.) This has been hashed through many, many times. See Wikipedia:Public domain for details. I removed the entries because they had been dealt with, not because I was trying to hide anything. All my actions are free for all to see, and I'm quite willing to answer any questions you have. But your hostile tone in talking to me about this issue has not helped the situation. All the best, – Quadell (talk) (bounties) 16:37, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
(several comments later. . .) Thank you so much for your kind note. Your kindness speaks volumes for you. I wish more people were like you. By the way, I think my user page might give people the wrong impression, so I'll reword it so as not to seem flippant. All the best! – Quadell (talk) (bounties) 11:52, 6 September 2006 (UTC) Re: WikisourceThanks, I didn't know that... Still, this leaves Xcopilot in an unfortunate condition: I feel that the how-to section does not belong there, yet it appears to be unsuitable for Wikisources. Is there any solution other than cutting it out? GregorB 13:03, 6 September 2006 (UTC) Lefebvre BiographyThank you very much for going to the trouble of finding this. JASpencer 17:29, 12 September 2006 (UTC) Estate of Martin Luther King, Jr., Inc. v. CBS, Inc.Thanks for your clarification to that article (and the speech article itself). My last edits to the article were based on news articles, which of course are never wrong! :-S Just a favor, if you could, would you look at the Desiderata article and see what you think? We have the copyright office saying that a court ruling in a similar "distribution without notice" case invalidated the copyright, and the text is in the article, but it also implies that the ruling isn't universal (support for which I haven't actually found). --Dhartung | Talk 17:18, 13 September 2006 (UTC) Lefebvre FootnotesThank you for the amazing amount of work that you have put into this. It really is appreciated. JASpencer 21:59, 16 September 2006 (UTC) English ManorsBecause it's an essay, and not a Wikipedia article. In any case, it doesn't belong here. ♠PMC♠ 19:03, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
Please...don't leave us over an edit war. An unfortunate fact of Wikipedia is that we sometimes get a lot of heated debate over some relatively minor issue. I hope you won't let it 'get' to you. I find that reading this tends to help at times. Have a good weekend! >Radiant< 08:13, 6 October 2006 (UTC) WP:VBirgitte, I'm sorry for the reverting back and forth at V yesterday. I think it was partly misunderstanding, partly frustration because the page needs to be stable, and partly me not paying proper attention. I hope you'll accept my apology and join us back at the page. SlimVirgin (talk) 10:56, 6 October 2006 (UTC) music notationSadly, GUIDO music notation doesn't appear to be an active project; their last update is 2003, which is about the last time I looked at it. I started using it briefly because I was looking for something that could represent a score in a way that could be manipulated by composition-type programs, while GNU Lilypond is more typesetting oriented. As far as I know the only commonly used and reasonably fully-featured computer score formats are GNU Lilypond, Sibelius, and Finale, and the last two are commercial software (and expensive commercial software at that). Short- to medium-term, I'd say getting some security-cleaned-up version of Lilypond is the only feasible option. In the long term, there's an MPEG working group trying to come up with a new standard, but I don't think that's very close to happening. --Delirium 23:29, 9 October 2006 (UTC) WP:ATTHi Birgitte, thanks, that's very kind of you and I particularly appreciate it coming from you. It's been a very fruitful collaboration on that page; a model of how Wikipedia can and should work, in fact. (That's can and should work, not can and must. ;-D). SlimVirgin (talk) 21:54, 13 October 2006 (UTC) A panel about wikipedia - sister projectsHi, I am assembling a panel of 5 that will talk about wikipedia in general. I am planing of making of covering it in 5 topics:
The panel will be a part of a more general Internet conferance that will be held 21-23 December 2006 in Ankara, Turkey. I am looking for a person to cover the "sister projects" topic. And I was told that you would be an approporate person for the job. --Cat out 21:16, 15 October 2006 (UTC) Policy debateThe first thing I have to answer is: "yet we are told that it is a widely held objection". Look back through the postings. Taxman, JzG, Andrew Levine—these are not casual, one-off editors objecting; if you think it's a problem now, imagine it becomes policy—believe me, you'd have your hands full with the objections. Part of my thinking has been how wrong it is that a party of people (you and me included) numbering in the single digits is going to "decide" this. We aren't—we can streamline what is, but new, radical innovations are not on the radar IMO (I do view the exception as "radical"). Even SlimVirgin (not to put words in her mouth) I see as ambivalent regarding, rather than truly in favour of, the pop culture exception. That off my chest, yes, maybe "accredited" is better. Jules is suggesting that people might read "professional" in the "I-get-paid-for-it" sense, but I don't see this; I only read "professional" that way when thinking of athletes and (maybe) of musicians. I read it in this context as "acceptable for a .edu or a journalism site"--i.e., regardless of whether you get paid, others (especially places of publication) would acknowledge your "credentials" and accept your work as "in the ballpark." I think through that...and, yes again, "accredited" is broadly what I mean. I just want to be able to say to a pseudoscientist, Nature wouldn't recognize you, even if you're "right". You just don't have the wherewithal to state "Z is A" in a general purpose work...(e.g., a tertiary encyclopedia such as Wikipedia). Our policies need to clearly say this. While on this topic, let me state that aliens and astrology were not meant to be glib—pseudoscientists will see through the slightest contradiction in policy and badger the hell out of you on talk pages. I don't want this exception b/c I can imagine, in a very practical sense, the shit it will cause. If perhaps we can agree on this adjective, be aware that others will scream bloody murder. Frankly, I think some just don't want a policy, or at least want a caveat within policy that would render policy moot. I believe (difficult as it's been) that you want clarity—good. I want clarity—a clear policy that speaks to most examples but doesn't pretend it can speak to every example. I don't want a page that says "here are the rules—and BTW if you don't like them, forget them". Marskell 23:31, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
ChalukyasSir, I have condensed the matter in Chalukya dynasty page as per your requirement.Dineshkannambadi 02:24, 23 October 2006 (UTC) Sorry!!Thanks for your time Madam. Let me explain what exactly i have done so it will be easy for you. The dynasty of Chalukyas starts with Badami Chalukyas. So I have given a brief detail of the overall Chalukya Dynasty at the header. Then I have gone in detail explaining about Badami Chalukyas on the same page since they are the "original" Chalukyas, created "sister pages" for Kalyani Chalukya and Eastern Chalukyas going into details in each of the sister pages. In the main page called "Chalukya Dynasty" I have elaborated on Badami Chalukyas as they were the first dynasty. If you still feel there is ambiguity of any sort , dont hesitate to let me know. ThanksDineshkannambadi 02:36, 23 October 2006 (UTC) InfluenzaPage now nominated as a FAC. Comments and suggestions are welcome on the review page. Thank you. TimVickers 00:53, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
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— Deon555talkReview 01:52, 25 October 2006 (UTC) Thank you!Thanks for letting me know about the vandalism at my s: user_talk Its from an indef blocked en: user trolling admins. I've updated it. — xaosflux Talk 00:18, 26 October 2006 (UTC) Username discussionHonestly, if you want people to talk about this, your best bet is to make a post about your issues to WP:AN and see if anyone is interested because more people will see it there. Many probably don't realize this is coming and you may may get a more responsive crowd. pschemp | talk 18:54, 26 October 2006 (UTC) Thank you for supporting my RfAThank you for supporting my RfA that I have passed with 73/2/1.--Jusjih 09:45, 27 October 2006 (UTC) ChalukyaHi. I noticed that the peer review discussion page has been archived. Did you have a chance to look at it? Please help me bring this article to featured article stage if possible.Dineshkannambadi 21:39, 7 November 2006 (UTC) ochsThanks for your note - I don't really care much about that link - it wasn't my addition as I said. But I think that editor was high-handed and I don't appreciate being threatened - this link has been there for a while, and only came up because some anonymous person removed it without discussion. I was looking for some other opinions from editors of that page before a decision was made to remove it. Anyway, thanks for the pointer to the admin area. Tvoz 05:26, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
Óengus I of the PictsHello ! A while back you commented on Óengus I of the Picts at peer review. I've tried to address a couple of the points that you raised by adding some background and another map. Just wanted to thank you for your helpful comments. The background won't really be fixed properly until I have written an article that can appear as a Template:Tl thing at the top of the section. I've been doing that off and on for months, so it may take a while yet ! Thanks again, Angus McLellan (Talk) 00:34, 17 November 2006 (UTC) Featured ListsHi ... I removed your nomination of a Featured List from featured article review, as Featured Lists are reviewed at Wikipedia:Featured list removal candidates. Regards, Sandy (Talk) 23:26, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
TranswikiNo problem. I actually have no idea what I should have done to complete the transwiki procedure, I was already happy that I could do as much as I did :) But now that we're at it, could you clarify how the copyright status of the text in question should be sorted out? The points unclear for me are:
Thanks, KissL 09:10, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
List of cetaceansActually I think most of the maps were done before i joined to project, but yeah, that's a good idea. I will have a look at that and try to get the Arctic and Antarctic species on polar projections. Chris_huhtalk 12:48, 23 November 2006 (UTC) Lei taiThis is what you wrote me for my peer request on the lei tai article: "I found this article hard to read beacuse of the "lightness" of the prose. Many areas end up just stating a fact and a source rather tham truly being written in prose despite being formatted as a paragragh. All the things on bullet points should be within a paragragh with more details as to why the idea is notable." Could you please pinpoint some of the areas that you found the most troubling in regards to your well appreciated comments? Thank you. (Ghostexorcist 01:21, 25 November 2006 (UTC)) Thank youThanks for the very thorough and perceptive review of bacteria. The article has been much improved by your suggestions. TimVickers 22:41, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
My answersHello BirgitteSB. I'm currently in the process of answering the questions on my page, and hope to wrap things up this morning over the next few hours as time permits. I just wanted to let you know that I have every intention of answering them, and will understand completely if you wish to keep this oppose vote in place in light of this personal delay. Thanks for your consideration, Can't sleep, clown will eat me 09:28, 4 December 2006 (UTC) Your input is requestedYour input would be appreciated at this Request for Comments. Kelly Martin (talk) 15:46, 6 December 2006 (UTC) TrollsWe tolerate trolls too long - and they are the biggest source of busy work and negative productivity on Wikipedia. Personally, I have only called 2 people trolls, and both times I am sure they are. You are probably right that the truth is not a defense to a personal attack; however, we should not tolerate the activities of trolls, and here we are doing just that and wasting our time discussing their BS. --Trödel 03:46, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
As an aside you said "I believe the things we are discussing at Temple garment would be contentious even if the issue had been brought out in the most mild way." I
Your commentary on my talk pageAdmins don't have to be asked to delete some comments so I shouldn't have to ask that personal attacks against me be removed. There appears to be some bias by admins here. There are admins already involved who seem to 'conveniently' allow certain editors to do as they wish; if those admins won't 'protect' me I will be forced to do it myself. Be Bold !, you know? I don't find your 'behaivor' [sic] to be all that stellar either, BTW.Duke53 | Talk 17:38, 11 December 2006 (UTC) Wiki-Pump - Thank You!Thanks for your help to my question on the Wiki-Pump! The guy left no explanation on my talk page, which I would have thought was a reasonable courtesy. I have left a message on his talk page asking why. Best Regads, - Trident13 17:08, 13 December 2006 (UTC) Re: Non-Latin Username BlocksBirgitteSB wrote:
As you wish. I should point out that any username blocks I have issued in the past were fully compliant with the username policy as it existed at that time. If the username policy tells me to block non-latin usernames I shall do so, if it does not, I will not. If you object to a policy, change the policy, not the people who follow it. Thanks – Gurch 18:05, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
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Fact-checking proposalI have started a proposal at User:Seraphimblade/sandbox/1. Your input is invited and welcomed, please feel free to edit or comment on the new proposal if you would like. Thanks! Seraphimblade 19:01, 6 January 2007 (UTC) Thanks very much for bringing this to my attention. I don't know why Redux didn't attempt to contact me before assuming that I had acted unilaterally. —David Levy 19:59, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
Thanks – Gurch 00:09, 12 January 2007 (UTC) SigsKylu asked me to drop these off. In all the examples, the first part of the sig points at your userpage, the second part points at your talkpage. On this page, the second link isn't clickable, yet appears the same as on other pages for consistency. Of course, feel free to experiment with color and style, etc... JBarrett 03:12, 13 January 2007 (UTC) Re:WP:CHUWell, till a clear-cut policy is formulated in put it to place it will be in a kind of 'purgatory'. Regards, =Nichalp «Talk»= 11:15, 13 January 2007 (UTC) Random Acts of Kindness Barnstar
Your messageThanks for your message; good point. I've clarigied my position at the discussion page, and e-mailed the User to let him or her know what's happening, and to advise a signature change. --Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 15:16, 26 January 2007 (UTC) For what it's worthThanks for your warning on the wikisource Vfd. For what it's worth, I made my defense of it there tonight (now it's morning--I just hit dawn!) and put a notice on the scriptorium. I'm not too enchanted with Pathoschild right now... I would have thought a query or two was in order before such an massive attack. Best regards // FrankB 11:47, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
Young UserSo what does that got to do with me???--Cometstyles 17:26, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
Greek administration of Smyrna (1919-1922) - copyvioHi, I have attempted to address the copyvio issues with a replacement article on Talk:Greek administration of Smyrna (1919-1922)/Temp. My explanation (apology) for the copyvio can be found at Talk:Greek administration of Smyrna (1919-1922). What's the next step? Do we need wait for an admin to get involved as the copyvio template suggests or are you willing to remove the copyvio notice and let me replace the current revision with the one at [[[Talk:Greek administration of Smyrna (1919-1922)]]? --Richard 17:06, 8 March 2007 (UTC) Your sigI think you should include links to your user page and talk page on your sig. - PatricknoddyTALK (reply here)|HISTORY 19:39, 8 March 2007 (UTC) Username blockingHi. Thanks for bringing the request to my attention. I forgot to watchlist the talk page. Xiner (talk, email) 19:05, 14 March 2007 (UTC) The community as a whole is admonishedWow! That's out of the box thinking. Well said. ++Lar: t/c 20:00, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
My RfAI appreciate your support during my recent, successful RfA. Thanks. Off the subject, is your username a Robert Jordan reference, or is that just coincidence? I've been a little curious. Shimeru 16:30, 17 March 2007 (UTC) Hi there, thanks for your review. I've nominated the article as a FAC now. If you had any further suggestions the nomination page is here. Thanks again! TimVickers 19:26, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
Sig and ThanksYour comments on copyright here were very useful Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_UK_geography#Copyright_and_the_use_of_national.2Flocal_government_statistics I notice others have asked you to include a link to your user page in you sig, I would appriciate it too. I've taken your sig's wiki code and reworded it to include a link Levis MumfordOK, I've unprotected and deleted. Jimfbleak. Talk here.19:02, 1 May 2007 (UTC)) Peer-review of EvolutionThank you for a most thorough and perceptive review. I remember your comments on bacteria were particularly helpful, you are an excellent editor! There's a lot for me to get on with, so this may take a while. Thanks again. TimVickers 16:31, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
zotero goodnessHi there -- thanks for your comments about this. Offhand, the people who would be interested in this discussion are user:Aaronsw and Sunir Shaw of meatball, who are working on bibwiki, and the folks working on m:wikicat. I don't have anything special to add but it's an interesting issue that lots of people have touched on over the years. Also I know user:mako is a big Zotero fan and might be able to help... -- phoebe/(talk) 21:38, 23 May 2007 (UTC) Evolution FACHi there, Birgitte. I've nominated Evolution as a featured article candidate, the discussion page is here. Any further comments and suggestions would be appreciated. TimVickers 15:47, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
Bot blockedI have blocked your User:BirgitteSB-prod bot account for mass-prodding pages on the basis that they were unreferenced. Many, if not most, of these articles could be expected to survive an AfD request unanimously, if not be speedy kept. To quote from the proposed deletion policy, "This process should only be used for articles that are uncontroversial deletion candidates that obviously do not belong in the encyclopedia but do not meet the criteria for speedy deletion." Many of the tagged articles could not possibly have even been argued to come under this criterion. Please find some other means of handling unreferenced articles. Rebecca 01:18, 3 June 2007 (UTC) Template:Unblock-auto reviewed
Just to be completely clear
So how exactly did you determine I was prodding articles at random by a bot. If you looked at my talk page you would reallize I cannot even sucessfully program my own signature. I am signing off for the night but someone please copy this to Rebecca's talk page. Rebecca, you seriously need to think about what you are doing with the block button. You need to be certain you reasoning is sound and you need to know how blocking actually works regarding the IP.--BirgitteSB 01:56, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
I did not realise that it was a manually-operated account; I had assumed, based on the nature of the edits, that it must have been automated. Being that you're actually making these edits yourself, I urge you to re-read the proposed deletion policy, specifically "This process should only be used for articles that are uncontroversial deletion candidates that obviously do not belong in the encyclopedia but do not meet the criteria for speedy deletion." Your edits included a very well-known Australian massacre, the main street of a major city, a major railway station, an English town, a prominent Chinese Marxist thinker, a prominent Russian musicologist and a prominent Macedonian writer. How on earth did you get to the conclusion that they were "uncontroversial deletion candidates"? There is not a chance in hell that any of those I've listed would have been deleted via AfD. Rebecca 03:26, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
Referencing of Mol Biol articlesA favor returned, with thanks. TimVickers 21:04, 6 June 2007 (UTC) User Sheep81 did a thorough copyedit of the article after you commented on style. Could you please read it again and reconsider your opinion on the FA status? Thanks, Yerpo 09:31, 18 June 2007 (UTC) Wikipedia talk:Verifiability#Age of unreferencedI made a post to Wikipedia talk:Verifiability#Age of unreferenced that you might be interested in. Jeepday (talk) 03:32, 10 July 2007 (UTC) Random kindnessThank you. Tim Vickers 12:38, 14 July 2007 (UTC) Your input is requestedI've recently put a lot of work into improving the article Night of the Long Knives. I put it up for peer review, but haven't seen any comments yet. I see that you have have experience as a peer reviewer and I think that the article could gain from your insights. So, if you have some spare time, your comments would be appreciated. Thanks.--Mcattell 03:09, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
Autism peer reviewThanks for your recent peer review of Autism; it has strengthened the article considerably. It took me a while to address the issues you raised, but I did the best I could and responded to the review in Wikipedia:Peer_review/Autism#Review_by_BirgitteSB. Eubulides 23:26, 15 July 2007 (UTC) I've tried to address your concerns in the Featured List nomination. I have to say I was a little upset that you waited until the very last day of the 10-day period to post your concerns. More time to fix issues would be helpful in the future. Geraldk 22:34, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
BirgitteSB – thank's for joining us on FLC. I've seen you around on peer review and you always seem to make good comments that show you've really read the article. I hope you stay a while. Cheers, Colin°Talk 11:02, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
Night of the Long KnivesThanks for your help. I incorporated most of your suggestions. If you want to look at Night of the Long Knives again, and post to peer review, that would be great.--Mcattell 01:09, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
Request for comments on proposal re: unsourced stubs & articlesI've just posted a recommendation that addresses the issue of encouraging proper sourcing which sidesteps (for now) the matter of pushing for deletion. Based on your earlier comments, I'd appreciate your thoughts on my proposal. Thanks, Askari Mark (Talk) 18:47, 21 July 2007 (UTC) Night of the Long Knives FACThanks for all your help in providing criticism for Night of the Long Knives. I have nominated it here it for featured article status, and would appreciate your assessment. Thanks, Mcattell 01:53, 26 July 2007 (UTC) Thanks for your review of the Ordinances of 1311 article. I have now implemented some changes, and nominated the article for FA. Please feel free to comment on the project page. Lampman 18:03, 1 August 2007 (UTC) Good ideasI love your idea of first and second class sources. I have borrowed some of your statements, with explicit attribution by edit summary, to use as working notes to try and craft a section describing and defining the distinction. You are welcome to work on my informal draft, especially since it was your idea. :-P It was a very good thought and is worth exploring. Cheers! Vassyana 07:45, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
(outdent) I've made more revisions. Let me know your thoughts. Vassyana 19:42, 23 August 2007 (UTC) A FAC review?Hi Birgitte, if the subject-matter isn't overwhelmingly-technical, might you be interested in reviewing the FAC of Oxidative phosphorylation? If you did, any comments or suggestions would be welcome at Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Oxidative phosphorylation. All the best, Tim Vickers 17:27, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
Chemiosmosis is the mechanism by which oxidative phosphorylation occurs. Oxidation is linked to phosphorylation by pumping ions across membranes and then letting them flow back across membranes, try to think about it like an electrical circuit - it's a remarkably accurate analogy. Tim Vickers 20:26, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
NORNo, thanks for calling it to my attention. I'll revert if you haven't already, Slrubenstein | Talk 17:42, 28 August 2007 (UTC) NORIt's been a long time since I worked on the main policy page. When I look at the edit differences you singled out, I have to say I am not mad about either version. Frankly, I prefer the version I last worked on: [2] - this is an edit change but just look at the section under Sources - I tried to be precise and keep it simple. It may be that my style is just out of sync with others. But I think all the more recent versions, in tryng to explain things, just provide vague or unclear examples that muddy the waters. Now, to address specifics:
These princples pretty much cover it for me. I think the simpler and more straightforward the policy, the better. My sense is that some of these conflicts come from others in the past having added examples and explanations that are vague or sloppy and invite confusion and dissent. Slrubenstein | Talk 23:24, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
As to primary and secondary sources, I have my own view and it is pretty simple (to me!). Primary sources are any recorded and verifiable documentation or source of information:
A secondary source is any verifiable source that analyzes, synthesizes, interprets or explains a primary source, or uses a primary source to analyze, synthesize, interpret or explain some phenomenon. In other words, it forwards a particular view of information, or uses information to forward a particular view. I would keep it simple and try not to add anything more to these, or as little as possible. policies should not themselves include explanations of policies and I think people kept adding their own interpretation of the policy into the policy and that is when things went south. Keep the policy as clear as possible. i know people thought that they were clarifying things by inserting explanations and interpretations of the policy, but what they added I think just confused people and created more controversy. Key to understanding these definitions is that the focus is on how they are used. So it is conceivable that the same document can be both a primary or a secondary source depending on how it is used. The Biblical book of Chronicles when it was written no doubt drew on a variety of sources and in its time would have been considered a secondary source. Today however it itself has been the object of scrutiny by clerics and theologians, as well as by literary critics and historians - in this context, it is a primary source. Capiche? Anyway, it now seems like there are two major sources of contention: what is the difference of primary and secondary sources, and should the policy privilege the use of secondary sources. Is there a third? A fourth? I urge you guys to settle on two or three clearly defined points of contention, create new sections for each on, archive the old talk, and try to lay out the arguments and alternatives systematically. The way the talk page is currently organized I can't see how any progress will be made. Slrubenstein | Talk 13:13, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
I've significantly revised my proposal, in an attempt to reflect legitimate concerns raised on all sides on the policy talk page. A major change is dropping the language discussing primary, secondary and tertiary sources. I try to rely on the "reliable third-party publications" distinction made by Wikipedia:Verifiability that has a clear and exceedingly broad consensus. Please take a look over the new draft and let me know your thoughts (User:Vassyana/Sources proposal). I'm interested in soliciting some feedback before submitting the revised proposal. Thanks! Vassyana 23:19, 30 August 2007 (UTC) please explain" don't know what you think I have been "contending"." - Brigitte, I do not follow you. Where do I say I think you are contending something? Slrubenstein | Talk 14:08, 30 August 2007 (UTC) When I ask if your position is under contention, I mean, are there people who disagree with you, who are contending your point? You seem to be defensive and I do not understand why. Have I in any way attacked you personally, or your position? Slrubenstein | Talk 14:10, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
please do not worry about it. We (dedicated veterans) have all had bad days here and you don't need to explain - I am just glad we could sort it out in less than 12 hours - in the past some times it has taken me weeks to work out the dumbest little things! I will check in on the policy when I can because I really care about it and I mean it, let me know what you think I can do to be more supportive and/or constructive. Slrubenstein | Talk 15:38, 30 August 2007 (UTC) Well-wishesI saw you note you were having a rough day and I just wanted deliver a few hugs, smiles and assurances that your presence is highly valued. Be well!!! Vassyana 21:51, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
A new day at NOR TalkAs you see, I archived a good deal of the talk in an atempt to focus the discussion in order to resolve some issues one at a time. I hope you agree this is a constructive move. COGDEN recently restored over 180,000 bytes of talk I had archived. Even having archived, the talk page is rapidly reaching the optimum length for a talk page prior to archiving! I believe COGDEN restored archived talk in order to prevent a resolution of any conflict, because it would enable him to dominate the talk without actually reaching any agreement. I believe there are a few editors who have made it clear they simply do not support the policy. If they restore archived talk as a way of avoiding addressing the issues, I will rearchive it. If you object I would appreciate knowing. if you think this is reasonable, I would appreciate your keeping an eye on the matter too. Thanks, Slrubenstein | Talk 19:40, 31 August 2007 (UTC) I saw - thanks! I added my two cents. But perhaps I would insist that any thread re-introduced be relevant to what is now on the page ... or be defered until we resolve some issues, archive, and then be re-introduced. Slrubenstein | Talk 19:50, 31 August 2007 (UTC) Perhaps you are right. What I hsve seen has led me to question the good faith of some editors - but I could be wrong; I hope so. That a tak page shoul dnot reach seven or eight huncred kbs is another matter! Anyway, f you think you can guide people towards some sort of agreement, more power to you and I would be glad to see you succede. Slrubenstein | Talk 21:10, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
May be of interest to youDue to discussion with Slrubenstein, I realized I was making a somewhat novel distinction for reliable sources, though I believe such an analysis is firmly rooted in existing policy. I've raised those concerns about distinction at the appropriate place. Since my idea of those concepts was fleshed out based on ideas you presented, I thought the discussion might interest you. Cheers! Vassyana 21:43, 31 August 2007 (UTC) NOR and LighthousesA bit more on the lighthouse sourcing business: Both the Coast Guard pages and lighthousefriends are essentially of the "local historical society" ilk. Robert de Gast's book is really a work of coffee table photography, but the quality of background work has made it one of the standard references. However, all of these works have mistakes in them, and one simply has to exert some level of judgment in choosing which to believe. It's not entirely possible to avoid some level of synthesis in doing this-- the dreaded "original" of "NOR". As I said, I ran into some problems with the locations of these structures. The USCG site gives them descriptively; de Gast uses snippets of charts. Lighthousefriends gives lat/long coordinates, but in some cases these were inaccurate, and in at least one case they were just flat-out wrong. And since they only discussed extant lights, my choice for the destroyed lights was to work from charts and Google Earth (or something similar), or simply omit locations. We cannot justify including patently incorrect information. I checked LHF's coordinates because I could, and because I am conscientious about fact-checking. And since I could check them, I used charts and Google Earth to obtain coordinates for the destroyed structures as far as I could, approximate where necessary, but exact where the location could be exactly determined. I don't consider this "original research" in the sense that the policy was formulated to counter. Indeed, I'm starting to conclude that part of the issue is that people do not (for various reasons) understand what is and is not research. I have some further to add but my son is anxious for me to get him home, so I'll have to break here. Mangoe 00:01, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
NOR favorHi. I have created a new page, Wikipedia: Proposal to replace No Original Research. Can you go over the talk on the now too long talk page for NOR and identify any talk you think belongs with this nascent proposal, and move it to its' talk page? I will ask Dreadstar and Jossi to do the same. I have already done a fair amount of refactoring at the talk page, and given that I just created this new proposal page, I would rather trust someone else's judgement as to what talk, specifically, to move. Thanks, Slrubenstein | Talk 12:39, 1 September 2007 (UTC) favorSince others are taking stabs at rewriting this policy, I have decided to try my own. Before I share it with a wider group, could you go over it and make such edits as you see fit? Thanks [3] Slrubenstein | Talk 15:47, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
thanks - I am hoping it would not take much time on your part ... of course I appreciate your situation, Slrubenstein | Talk —Preceding unsigned comment added by Slrubenstein (talk • contribs) 11:05, 5 September 2007 (UTC) Request for mediationA request for mediation has been filed with the Mediation Committee that lists you as a party. The Mediation Committee requires that all parties listed in a mediation must be notified of the mediation. Please review the request at Wikipedia:Requests for mediation/Wikipedia:No original research, and indicate whether you agree or disagree to mediation. If you are unfamiliar with mediation on Wikipedia, please refer to Wikipedia:Mediation. Please note there is a seven-day time limit on all parties responding to the request with their agreement or disagreement to mediation.
Your monobook is in Category:Wikipedia toolsYour monobook is in Category:Wikipedia tools. This is most likely because when you were copying scripts into yout monobook you accidentaly copied their category. Since your monobook is not a tool itself, please remove this category from it (like this). If you intend for your monobook to be a tool, please consider creating a subpage with a more descriptive name, and moving the category there. Thank you, -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk 23:56, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
Request for MediationThanksBirgitteSB, Thanks for the clarification on {{unreferenced}}. Cheers! Toddstreat1 15:51, 2 October 2007 (UTC) unreferenced -> primarysourcesThanks for the tip! Best regards, Pete.Hurd 17:01, 2 October 2007 (UTC) Missing diff on lectureHello, Brigitte. Next time you need to have me contend with a lecture on {{Unreferenced}}, please provide a diff or an article name so that I can at least have the foggiest of what you refer to and not contend in vain. Else, it could look like patronizing under the influence of the Guantanamo Courts Kool-Aid, and you wouldn't want that, Brigitte. A thousand and one thanks in advance. And now for an amiable lecturing of my own: you should archive this page on separate subpages, as per WP:ARCHIVE. Currently, having the entirety of your archives be downloaded each time someone has to visit your talk page is an unnecessary strain on the bandwith resources of Wikipedia, not to mention what it does to my puny modem. Cheers. — Komusou talk @ 18:20, 2 October 2007 (UTC) re: Template:TlThanks for the tip; the deed is done. Best, Precious Roy 20:21, 2 October 2007 (UTC) As things seem to have calmed down for the moment, I'd just like to thank you for your help on this. It's good to know that the support's there when you need it! Regards, "some random guy" aka Ghmyrtle 09:28, 4 October 2007 (UTC) Nutrition Assistance for Puerto RicoHey, remember me? You reviewed an article I was working on, Nutrition Assistance for Puerto Rico. I've nominated it for FA here. Since you reviewed it before and offered needed improvements, could you take a second look? Much appreciated. - Mtmelendez (Talk|UB|Home) 01:44, 5 October 2007 (UTC) Hang on there. You tagged Kiwi for CSD alleging copyvio from here. Not so, It's the other way around. I was born and bred in Waverley so I naturally took an interest in the stubbish article about this horse. I expanded the Kiwi article a couple of years ago, particularly here. That's my work, not theirs. They have lifted the Wiki article. Moriori 22:17, 12 October 2007 (UTC) She's still an orphan due to few incoming links. Can we make some? Bearian 20:35, 19 October 2007 (UTC) Admin?Hi Birgitte, would you like me to nominate you as an admin? You seem very well-qualified and I'd be very happy to put you forward. Tim Vickers 02:30, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
Peer Review of Manchester AirportGood Afternoon BirgitteSB, I have been made aware of your edits at the peer review of Manchester Airport. Three articles: List of destinations served by Manchester Airport Terminal 1, List of destinations served by Manchester Airport Terminal 2, List of destinations served by Manchester Airport Terminal 3 have been put up at AFD, and so could I ask your comments on the deletion debate? Regards, Rudget Contributions 20:10, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
Empress Gemmei Daijo Tenno
The first to style herself "Daijō Tennō" was Script error: No such module "Nihongo". in 697. Also, Script error: No such module "Nihongo". abdicated and took the title "Daijō Tennō" in Wadō 8 (715). Neither women did anything post-abdication which turned out to be anything like the cloistered rule of Emperor Shirakawa in Heian era Japan .... In my view, it would be inappropriate to merge Cloistered rule and Daijō Tennō at this time. --Ooperhoofd 23:19, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
Hey hi BirgitteSB ! I created subsections per template you added. Please check-- y'r welcome to contribute to or improve them! Thanks, IttyBittyGrittyindaShteCiti 10:46, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
Manchester Airport terminal articles are up for deletion againAs you were involved in the 1st deletion discussions, you might be interested in knowing thies articles are up for deletion again; Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of destinations served by Manchester Airport Terminal 1 (2nd nomination). A couple of editors are attempting to use this AfD to permanently remove any destination list from the Manchester Airport article. --Oakshade 01:22, 14 November 2007 (UTC) Merged "List of altitude records..."Hello Birgitte. Today I did a cut-and-paste merge from List of altitude records reached by different aircraft types into Flight altitude record. The former had been marked for merger since Dec '06. It really was no list at all, but rather another version of the same subject. I see that you removed the merge tag recently (because it was so old). I am leaving you this note, in case you care about this topic. I hope you have no objection to the merge. (Perhaps you were simply cleaning up old tags.) Best regards, Hult041956 (talk) 01:10, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
FAR of RNA interferenceHi there, I was wanting to use your non-expert review skills. This article is a FA but it is not written in a very approachable style. If you have time over the next few days could you give it a quick read through and note on the FAR page as to which parts you find most confusing? Tim Vickers (talk) 22:06, 29 November 2007 (UTC) My SandboxI'd forgotten that was there was trying something out and didn't delete it, gone now! --Nate1481( t/c) 10:42, 30 November 2007 (UTC) NOR Request for arbitrationBecause of your participation in discussions relating to the "PSTS" model in the No original research article, I am notifying you that a request for arbitration has been opened here. I invite you to provide a statement encouraging the Arbcom to review this matter, so that we can settle it once and for all. COGDEN 23:58, 12 December 2007 (UTC) Time to archiveHi - you might want to archive your talk page. Cheers! bd2412 T 11:43, 24 December 2007 (UTC) |
