Talk:Zagreb

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Etymology

I think that the sentence mentioning "za breg" should be removed, as it's not a likely origin of the name, since "breg" originally had the meaning of "(river) bank". In my personal opinion the most likely origin is "za grabom", i.e. "behind the moat", which denotes a fortified town. — Preceding unsigned comment added by BerislavLopac (talk • contribs) 07:46, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

Agram

Agramer, please read Wikipedia:Bold, revert, discuss. It is expected from you to start discussing after your addition was reverted.

On what basis do you insist on adding completely irrelevant list of names to the lead section? WP:NCGN#General guidelines says that Template:Talkquote German article for this city is located at de:Zagreb, not at de:Agram. Italians have never lived in Zagreb. Hungarians haven't lived in significant figures in last 100 years or so. Those are not official names of the city. They are not mentioned in contemporary English sources. You might mention them in the article text somewhere, but not in the lead section. WP:LEAD should summarize most important aspects of the article contents, not to overwhelm the English-speaking reader with a list of irrelevant foreign names. As for other cities that might do the similar, see WP:OTHERCRAPEXISTS. If you need models, Belgrade and Sarajevo are featured articles, and they do not list historic names in the lead. No such user (talk) 09:08, 17 January 2012 (UTC)

I for one agree that cramming the intro with foreign names is largely pointless when they're tangentially relevant. --Joy [shallot] (talk) 14:53, 17 January 2012 (UTC)

Isn't Agram just a historic name/out of use? Er-vet-en (say) 15:57, 17 January 2012 (UTC)

Is this article encyclopedic?

I see a lot of statistics that hardly have any sense to be seen here: demographics, climate, bridges(!), settlement. Then a lot of information that goes into a tourist guide.

Etymology should take no more than sentence or two. Here it's a whole section.--Juraj Budak (talk) 01:26, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

Infobox collage

File:Zagreb collage.png

Current collage

File:WAA-08-16x20-COLLAGE-WEB.jpg

Illustration of possible improvement

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The current collage only contains 11 photos (if my math serves me well). Of those, I can almost see what is in three (although can hardly deduce where it is), so those should be further divided into smaller pieces. It can be further improved by dividing the image into still smaller sections, by adding more photos from the article body. I found an illustration how it would look like in the end (hell, you could just crop the title of that lower image and spare yourself an effort, it is equally useful).
</sarcasm> No such user (talk) 12:22, 13 January 2014 (UTC)

Related: c:Commons:Deletion requests/File:Zagreb collage.png. --Gunnex (talk) 20:05, 10 May 2014 (UTC)

History

There seems to be a whole portion of Zagreb as the second largest city in Yugoslavia. Based on the article it looks like apparently nothing happened in Zagreb between 1945 and 1991? I know the breakup of Yugoslavia must have been traumatic, but there's no mention of the post-war development of Zagreb as key cultural center of Yugoslavia, the animation school, theaters, science development etc, that should find it's place in a comprehensive article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 38.122.13.78 (talk) 17:55, 2 May 2014 (UTC)

Orphaned references in Zagreb

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Reference named "normals":

• From Rijeka:
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When

Under Events, "most recently" does not provide a time frame. Also, as the list of artists may or may not be kept up to date, it could become out of date. It would be better to provide a time range between which the listed appearances happened. For example, "in 2016" (if that is indeed the time frame).

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History - missing and misleading information

The whole history of Zagreb since 1945 is described as:

During the period of former Yugoslavia, Zagreb remained an important economic centre of the country, and was the second largest city. After Croatia declared independence from Yugoslavia, Zagreb was proclaimed its capital.[43]

Not only is this very poor description of the 80 years of history in which Zagreb turned from a provincial town into a major metropolis, it's also wrong. Zagreb was also the capital of Croatia while it was a part of Yugoslavia, nobody needed to proclaim it as such in 1991. Zocky | picture popups 14:25, 11 June 2021 (UTC)

"Glavni grad Hrvatske" listed at Redirects for discussion

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Mira Furlan

I ask the admin to include actress Mira Furlan who was born in Zagreb on the list of notable Zagreb artists. Thank you. 93.143.192.101 (talk) 00:11, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

"Metropola" listed at Redirects for discussion

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Climate

The climate section should be editeb because climate change affected Zagreb a lot. The summer is a lot hotter now and winter is mild. 78.1.218.149 (talk) 11:41, 29 August 2024 (UTC)

Agreed. I don't understand why the 1971-2000 climate data is used for Zagreb when it's outdated. The articles for other European capitals, the ones that I've seen, all have the 1991-2020 data. 185.38.178.109 (talk) 15:46, 25 January 2025 (UTC)

Metropolitan population edit warring

Template:Admin help-helped A user has been edit warring for days. I asked for sources, none were given. This article needs to be protected, we can't go like this forever. Ponor (talk) 20:31, 4 December 2024 (UTC)

Template:Ping You can file an edit warring report at the edit warring noticeboard. --Chris | Crazycomputers (talk) 01:27, 5 December 2024 (UTC)

Comments and questions on the article

1. The first part of the history section before "Early Zagreb" should talk about the city's early history and not be a mix of early documents and modern history.

2. "The name is first recorded in a charter by Felician, Archbishop of Esztergom, dated 1134, mentioned as Zagrabiensem episcopatum."

"The first recorded appearance of the name "Zagreb" dates from 1094, at which time the city existed as two different city centers"

"The history of Zagreb dates as far back as 1094 when the Hungarian King Ladislaus, returning from his campaign against the Kingdom of Croatia, founded a diocese."

The 3 sentences above contradict themselves with 2 different dates.

3. "The first known conflicts took place in the middle of the 13th century and continued with interruptions until 1667. Because of the conflict, it was recorded that the Bishop of Kaptol excommunicated the residents of Gradec twice.

In the conflicts between Gradec and Kaptol, there were several massacres of the citizens, destruction of houses and looting of citizens. In 1850, Gradec and Kaptol, with surrounding settlements, were united into a single settlement, today's city of Zagreb."

The above is history of the 1600s and 1800s so it clearly belongs to the "16th to 18th centuries" paragraph. It should be moved there.

4. "However, in case of a strong earthquake, it's expected that 3,000 people would die and up to 15,000 would be wounded."

I find the above a pointless/unrealistic observation/prediction unless framed within a specific condition/situation.

5. In the "City governance" section there is a table. At the bottom it says "Source:[87][88]". There should be some test saying what the source is and not just numbers.

6. "There are 51 representatives in the City Assembly".

This is already stated once before in the same section: redundant.

7. Link 116 that points to some restaurants does not have any text, unlike link 117 which does.

8. The "Souvenirs and gastronomy" mention the Licitars. It might as well explain what they are.

9. "It comprises a big tennis court and eight smaller ones, two of which are covered by the so-called "balloon", and another two equipped with lights."

It's unclear what the "balloon" is. It should be explained because, in the context, it makes little sense.

10. "The other block offers multipurpose sports facilities: apart from tennis courts, there are handball, basketball and indoor football grounds, as well as track and field facilities, a bocce ball alley and table tennis opportunities."

What's the meaning and purpose of "opportunities" at the end of the sentence?

11. The paragraph that starts with "In year 2021 Zagreb" and ends with "2022 World Rally Championship." is unnecessary and superfluous. It's too much information and it adds no particular value to the article.

12. "It is often used highway around Zagreb."

This sentence is unclear and ambiguous because it does use a proper syntax. It does not make much sense and it should be revised.

ICE77 (talk) 18:01, 16 February 2025 (UTC)

Naslovne fotografije

Zastarjele i ne dočaravaju grad u svijetlu u kojem bi mogle i trebale. Predlažem umetanje Medvedgrada / Oltara Domovine, jezero Jarun/Bundek, Trg žrtava fašizma, fontane, Arenu... Kupøla0 (talk) 04:21, 24 February 2025 (UTC)

This entry is in English and not in Croatian so you should write in English if you want somebody to comment. ICE77 (talk) 03:17, 23 March 2025 (UTC)

Infobox - government

I think we should slightly rewrite the governent part of the infobox. We should remove the list of political parties in the Zagreb Assembly, because it's very specific and much better visualized on the Zagreb Assembly page. It should look something look like:

Government

• Type Mayor-council

• Body Zagreb Assembly

• Mayor Tomislav Tomašević (We Can!) User4926 (talk) 11:54, 7 June 2025 (UTC)