Talk:Western Australia

Western Australian state song

Western Australia has an unofficial state anthem. This is called "Western Australia for me". It dates from 1831, and was sung by George Fletcher Moore at the First Governor's Ball in 1831. See references at http://www.abc.net.au/local/audio/2010/04/13/2871828.htm and https://membership.wags.org.au/swan-river-pioneers-1829-1838-mainmenu-57/256-western-australia-for-me-srp. The article needs to be updated to include the state song in the Info Box. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 180.149.192.132 (talk) 08:47, 6 June 2017 (UTC)

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When. Why. Why not!

Also applies to History of Western Australia.

1. When did the term “Western Australia” come into being. Was Albany in New Holland? Was it (only) “Swan River Colony” for a while.

2. Why the emphasis on “formally 1827”? Lockyer arrived in 1826.

3. No mention of Tasman in Exploration section. 1644; he travelled the whole North coast (Qld to Exmouth). MBG02 (talk) 09:54, 18 September 2018 (UTC)

How to describe WA's area relative to Australia

1. REDIRECT Template:Reply to

Template:Redirect category shell I still assert that inserting "almost" before 33% in "WA ... occupying almost 33% of ... Australia" is contrary to MOS:UNCERTAINTY: Template:Talk quote in particular that for the purpose of MOS:UNCERTAINTY, "almost" is a "similar term".

Previous discussion on my talk page

Mitch Ames (talk) 05:18, 5 June 2022 (UTC)

Template:ReplyTo First, it IS misleading because it isn't 33% (which, to make it worse, is often understood by normal and healthy humans to mean 1⁄3). Second, this is one of the two options you offered earlier; although you presented a false dichotemy it is the lesser of two evils. Third, just a few sentences later "about" and "around" are used for the same reasons stating "the state has about 2.68 million inhabitants – around 10 percent of the national total". Betterkeks (talk) 05:35, 5 June 2022 (UTC)

Template:Tq Template:Mdash It's not misleading, it's rounded, and we have a MOS guideline for that.

Template:ReplyTo The guideline doesn't apply when "the reader might otherwise be misled", as is the case here. Betterkeks (talk) 07:06, 5 June 2022 (UTC)

Could you please provide some evidence that the readers are being misled. Mitch Ames (talk) 08:40, 5 June 2022 (UTC)

Template:ReplyTo I, as a reader, feel as currently written the statement is misleading. It may be improved easily by stating or indicating that it is not a rounding of 1⁄3. Betterkeks (talk) 09:24, 5 June 2022 (UTC)

Template:Tq Template:Mdash I suggest that anyone who knew what 1⁄3 was as a percentage would also know that it is 331⁄3%, not 33%, and that those readers would thus read 33% as being approximately one-third, not exactly one-third.

Template:ReplyTo That is black-and-white thinking Mitch. Just say or indicate its rounded. Betterkeks (talk) 07:06, 5 June 2022 (UTC)

Template:Tq Template:Mdash the two options I proposed were "33%" or "almost one-third", not "almost 33%".

Template:Tq Template:Mdash I suggest that the words "about" and "around" should be also removed from those sentences, for the same reasons - that they are contrary to MOS:UNCERTAINTY. Mitch Ames (talk) 06:26, 5 June 2022 (UTC)

Template:ReplyTo Please dont' do that. It would make it worse, not better. Betterkeks (talk) 07:06, 5 June 2022 (UTC)

Template:Tq Template:Mdash That is your opinion, but MOS:UNCERTAINTY suggests that it is not the consensus view. Surely you don't think that the readers will misinterpret "2.68 million" as exactly 2,680,000 if we remove the word "about". And "10% has literally now "been ... rounded in a normal and expected way". Mitch Ames (talk) 08:42, 5 June 2022 (UTC)

Template:ReplyTo The "10%" is too perfect and needs to be explained, such as by including "around". Betterkeks (talk) 09:24, 5 June 2022 (UTC)

Just say "around one third". 33% implies a precision that isn't there. HiLo48 (talk) 06:32, 5 June 2022 (UTC)

Not great, but better than what is there now. Or say its the portion of Australia that is west of 129°E. 07:06, 5 June 2022 (UTC)

Template:Tq Template:Mdash That does not give an immediate idea the proportion of the land area, which is what we are trying to convey. Mitch Ames (talk) 08:01, 5 June 2022 (UTC)

What is currently being said does not accomplish that goal. Betterkeks (talk) 08:17, 5 June 2022 (UTC)

"West Australia"

While I agree with the principle of "promoting" the "West Australia" paragraph up from being a footnote [1], I don't think it belongs under "History". There are apparently quite a few things called "West Australia...", not all of them historic. A text search through the Western Australia article finds some significant current ones:

• The West Australian
• West Australian Football League
• West Australian Music Industry Awards
• West Australian Symphony Orchestra
• West Australian Ballet
• West Australian Opera

Perhaps it doesn't rate a toplevel heading, but where else could it be? Mitch Ames (talk) 03:43, 15 February 2025 (UTC)