Talk:Tridentine Mass

Page should be titled "Extraordinary form of the Roman Rite"

Given that it's most recently been referred to as such by the highest authority on the matter. "Tridentine Mass" as a name for the Mass is historically inaccurate as what is referred to as the "Tridentine Mass" is essentially the same Mass from a thousand years prior to the Council of Trent with all the extra prayers added in over the years removed that made the liturgy too long. There is also an article titled 'Extraordinary form of the Roman Rite' already so perhaps this one should be merged into that one.

I don't agree that it should be changed. "Extraordinary Form" is a controversial term by coined by Benedict in 2007. "Tridentine Mass" is how it is referred to in most literature and is generally accepted by other prolific Catholic groups such as the SSPX, Sedevacantist, etc. It would make more sense to simply explain the historical consistency of the Roman Rite (prior to the Novus Ordo Rite being called the "Roman Rite") in the article. 71.233.70.210 (talk) 05:16, 3 January 2022 (UTC)

Also, "Tridentine Mass" seems to be the preferred term in historical academia, as it dovetails with the Counter-Reformation theory. I think "Missal of Pope XXX" is preferable for specific references. Rick Jelliffe (talk) 12:17, 19 October 2023 (UTC)

Scope of article topic

This article has a confused and overlapping scope with other articles. The hatnote claims that this article is only about the historical situation and to see Preconciliar rites after the Second Vatican Council. Yet at the end of this "Tridentine Mass" article we have "Present practice" and lots of stuff about the post-Vatican II, modern up-to-the-minute situation for the TLM. So which is it going to be? Elizium23 (talk) 08:40, 2 January 2023 (UTC)

Template:Ping I have done the split. I think the confusion was due to the Preconciliar rites after the Second Vatican Council article being created only recently. Veverve (talk) 08:56, 2 January 2023 (UTC)

Pre-1955 missal and indults

“Sometimes the term "Tridentine Mass" is applied restrictively to Masses in which the final 1962 edition of the Tridentine Roman Missal is used, the only edition still authorized, under certain conditions, as an extraordinary form of the Roman Rite Mass.”

I think this is incorrect. I am pretty sure the FSSP and (maybe) the ICKSP have an indult to practise the pre-1955 Holy Week, which doesn’t use the 1962 missal. Ed is the standard text editor (talk) 00:50, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

ICKSP does use the pre 1955 Holy Week Ceremonies. I go to a parish that is staffed by ICKSP Priests. ZackaryH85 (talk) 00:26, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

That’s awesome! :) I should probably move to change the article to reflect the indults. Ed is the standard text editor (talk) 01:14, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

Template:Re I'm fairly certain there is evidence to confirm this, but you'd need to a reliable source saying so to add it to the article. I'll have access to a couple resources relevant next month if this question is still something you two are looking to source. ~ Pbritti (talk) 01:18, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

Thanks! That’s definitely helpful. Ed is the standard text editor (talk) 01:35, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

Thank you so much and any help would be appreciated ZackaryH85 (talk) 02:05, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

Collect

The section on the structure of the mass refers to "the" collect; shouldn't it indicate that often more than one collect is said, either for the commemoration of an outranked feast/day, or other collects (for the pope, the saints, etc.)?