Talk:Temple Grandin
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Born 1947...
... diagnosed with autism in 1949 at the age of _four_? ;)
Diagnosis
Can we get a source on the line under "Diagnosis" that claims that Temple's mother found a checklist that suggested that Temple was autistic when she was in her mid-teens? 75.183.42.201 (talk) 20:44, 7 October 2023 (UTC)
- Sure Anonymous1234567abcdefg (talk) 09:31, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
- She does not have autism 190.245.168.198 (talk) 10:21, 11 November 2024 (UTC)
Timing and age in early teen years?
The "Middle school and high school" section indicated that she was expelled at 14, and her parents divorced a year later (making her 15). It then says that three years later, her mother remarried. However, the section goes on to say that Temple spent a summer at her mother's future husband's sister's farm at the age of 15.
It seems unlikely that she would go spend a summer at the farm of someone she would likely barely know at that point (her parents having just gotten divorced, so it would have been *at most* a year, assuming that her mother started dating her new husband immediately, and family was introduced quickly). Does it mean that Temple spent the summer at the farm at 18? That seems like a more reasonable timeframe. 71.59.251.200 (talk) 00:44, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
Is it accurate to call Grandin a "savant"?
In the "Diagnosis" subsection under "Early Life" is the statement, "Grandin was later determined to be an autistic savant." Although the term "savant" is indeed mentioned in the cited articles, there are problems with this statement. First, who was it determined by? The authors of said articles? So-called savant syndrome has no formal medical definition, so I don't think Grandin was formally diagnosed a "savant" by any physician or psychologist. Also, I think each of the cited sources is playing fast and loose with the concept of what a savant even is in the context of disability. Many people (e.g., the authors of these cited articles) seem to think it means any disabled person who is competent, talented or successful in any context, which makes the rather disquieting assumption that incompetence is the default disabled state and we should all be amazed whenever any disabled person is good at something. I propose removing the statement entirely due to poor sourcing (and the aforementioned vague passive phrasing). DoItFastDoItUrgent (talk) 07:19, 15 May 2025 (UTC)
- The many WP:MEDRS citations at Savant syndrome argue against your claim that "So-called savant syndrome has no formal medical definition".
- "She has a unique mind, exceptional memory, and savant visuospatial abilities" https://collections.lib.utah.edu/dl_files/cb/99/cb991753b25ddf01fa6f780cca2c0dcacf86f5c6.pdf
- "She is known as a ‘savant,’ or a person who shows characteristic social deficits of autism and yet also has some exceptional abilities. For instance, she has extremely sharp visual acuity." https://www.thetransmitter.org/spectrum/researchers-reveal-first-brain-study-of-temple-grandin/
- Defense behavior and coping in an autistic savant: The story of Temple Grandin, PhD.... Her savantism includes a photographic memory and an extraordinary pictorial ability." https://psycnet.apa.org/record/1993-29947-001
- "Temple Grandin, perhaps the world’s most famous person with autism, allowed scientists to peek into her exceptional brain for the first time in order to better understand the minds of savants. Scans confirmed that Grandin’s brain is, indeed, special... https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/what-makes-temple-grandins-brain-special-76672628/
- "One theory of autistic savantism suggests that during fetal development or early in life, some developmental abnormality affects the brain’s left side... Grandin’s amygdala, the almond-shaped organ said to play an important role in emotional processing, is larger than normal... Her fusiform gyrus is smaller than normal..." https://www.discovermagazine.com/mind/exploring-temple-grandins-brain
- For what it is worth, Temple identifies as being an autistic savant. See the "Savant Skills" section of https://autism.org/temple-grandin-inside-asd/ --Guy Macon Alternate Account (talk) 06:45, 23 May 2025 (UTC)