Talk:Tampa, Florida

Tampa Town?

It was claimed in the Etymology section of this article that Tampa used to be called "Tampa Town", but I find very little reference to even the word "Tampa Town" outside of what appear to be facsimiles and quotes of the book From the Earth to the Moon (1865) by Jules Verne, which is a work of science fiction... Any good sources for this claim? I cannot view the nearest reference (at time of writing, ref number 15) because Google Books has it on preview unavailable... PseudoSkull (talk) 05:59, 13 November 2021 (UTC)

While it wasn't an official name, it was commonly used as a nickname before Tampa suddenly grew into a city in the 1880s, and you still hear it thrown around occasionally when somebody wants to sound either hip or oldfangled, lol. Tony Pizzo, the (late) official historian of Hillsborough County, used "Tampa Town" in the titles of several books about early Tampa since that what the little place was called at the time. (I own this one). It's a real thing. Zeng8r (talk) 13:02, 13 November 2021 (UTC)

indigenous peoples

@Magnolia677 The cultures who lived on Tampa Bay before Europeans arrived should absolutely be mentioned in the history section of the article on the city of Tampa. Each of the peoples in question (Tocobaga, Pohoy, and Calusa) lived in the area for centuries and are notable enough to be the subject of their own Wikipedia articles. Here, they are summarized in only a few sentences. You'll note that I did not simply revert your earlier edits; I condensed the section a bit while restoring vital info. I even left off the map, as I could buy an argument that it was better suited for History of Tampa and Tocobaga, where it's still featured. At this point, that subsection is about as short as it can be while still giving readers a glimpse of the relevant information.

Also, recent edits have also made it less clear that the citations already present covered all the material. I'll add another; several books have been written about the cultures that you're trying to cull for the sake of extreme and unnecessary brevity. Zeng8r (talk) 18:17, 19 July 2022 (UTC)

Template:Ping As I mentioned in my edit summary, please follow the manual of style, do not add unsourced content, and do not unbalance the article with irrelevant details that have nothing to do with this article. Also, this is not a history of South Florida, it is a history of Tampa, so unless the sources cited explicitly state they lived in what is now Tampa, then that information should not be included. I have seen the indigenous histories of an entire state shoehorned into too many city articles. Magnolia677 (talk) 19:04, 19 July 2022 (UTC)

I added no unsourced content; you may be confusing me with another editor who tweaked that subsection last week. As I mentioned above, all info was already supported by a source, and I added another citation as well. And as mentioned in the article text, these peoples lived on the shores of Tampa Bay, not "South Florida", and are thus quite relevant to the history of Tampa. Thanks for leaving content decisions to those who know the topic. Zeng8r (talk) 04:10, 23 July 2022 (UTC)

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Requested move 20 September 2023

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: not moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) – robertsky (talk) 18:15, 27 September 2023 (UTC)

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Tampa, Florida → TampaTampa – The word "Tampa" is really well known by most people. In fact, when you hear the word, instantly, you will realize that it's the city in Florida. Can we move the page so that the title will say "Tampa" instead of "Tampa, Florida" as it is known really well? NoobThreePointOh (talk) 12:42, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose, and probably speedy close. WP:USPLACE is a well-established naming convention, and American cities always keep the extra disambiguation. 162 etc. (talk) 15:31, 20 September 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose for now per current naming conventions for major cities at WP:USPLACE. I agree that having only the major cities indicated by the AP Stylebook is a bit too restrictive for a guideline that is an exception to normal article title policy, specifically WP:QUALIFIER and WP:PRIMARYTOPIC; in other words, there should be more exceptions to the exception. But as it stands, Tampa seems on par with the Nashville example. I think what is needed is an RfC or something about revising that aspect of WP:USPLACE, and then having normal primary topic requested move discussions like this one for major cities on case by case basis. But for the moment, the current title follows the current naming convention. Mdewman6 (talk) 16:55, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

  There have been many such discussions at Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (geographic names) (see the box at the top of the page), most recently an RfC in February-April, that incidentally included Tampa, resulting in no consensus to change the current guideline. Station1 (talk) 18:34, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

Ah, yes I would imagine this has been discussed before, and it would difficult to find a new consensus. Thanks. Mdewman6 (talk) 22:24, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

• As mentioned above WP:USPLACE requires the state. Crouch, Swale (talk) 19:06, 20 September 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose (strongly) per WP:USPLACE. If it ain't broke, don't fix it. Paintspot Infez (talk) 01:45, 21 September 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose per WP:USPLACE. Rreagan007 (talk) 03:26, 21 September 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose. The WP:USPLACE guideline is also explained on Wikipedia:Perennial proposals#Remove state from US placenames. The main takeaway is basically this: a majority of reliable sources published nationally in the US would usually first refer to this city, like most other US cities, as "Tampa, Florida", appending the state as if it was common usage in American English, before later referring to it as "Tampa" like it was some sort of abbreviation. And always appending the state produces a consistent and predictable set of titles (see also WP:TITLECON), because repeated or otherwise ambiguous placenames are very common in the US, and thus most would require disambiguation regardless. The only cities that do not seem to have this peculiar convention seem to be those 28 or so cities (like Miami) listed by that AP Stylebook. But take almost all other cities in Florida, and nationally published reliable sources would still refer to them as "[X, Florida]" regardless of any unnecessary disambiguation here on Wikipedia. Furthermore, the claim that Template:Tq is sometimes questionable, because you have its major sports teams Tampa Bay Buccaneers and Tampa Bay Lightning using "Tampa Bay" instead of "Tampa", and it therefore sometimes gives the misconception that the city's name is the former instead of the latter. Zzyzx11 (talk) 05:03, 21 September 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose, and speedy close. WP:USPLACE is a well-established naming convention, we used to close noms like this immediately. In ictu oculi (talk) 07:46, 26 September 2023 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Missing citation under Civil War and Reconstruction - Unable to find full source

On the Citation Hunt tool, I volunteered to add citations for the Civil War and Reconstruction claim that federal troops stayed in Tampa until 1869. I spent a good, long time trying to find sources for this, but I was ultimately unsuccessful. I think I'm going link the internal page for "Florida in the American Civil War" and call it a day. I will add the sources I was able to find on the page for "Florida in the American Civil War". Galactiger (talk) 21:53, 25 December 2023 (UTC)