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Expansion to 18 teams as of 2016 is official
As per this article - http://www.rugby.com.au/superrugby/News/Article/tabid/959/ArticleID/14327/Japan-and-Argentina-officially-join-Super-Rugby.aspx The current Wikipedia article mentions that there are talks of expansion, but it's official signed and agreed. Can someone please update accordingly? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.168.181.30 (talk) 04:13, 7 January 2015 (UTC)
Broadcast in 41 countries (2006 figure)
"Matches are now broadcast in 41 countries.[1]" Isn/t it time to cite a more recent reference, esp if using 'now'? wcrosbie (talk), Melbourne, Australia 07:21, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
Changes to past winners tables (again)
Super 10 winners have found a way back onto the article, now that there is an official Super Rugby website that does not mention Super 10 results but only 1996 onwards as Super Rugby and hence why Super 10 has its own article, if there's no objection I'll remove them. --sss333 (talk) 04:38, 8 July 2011 (UTC)
SA teams'stadiums
There seem to be a few issues with the stadiums listed for SA teams.
I agree with the Bulls having Orlando Stadium listed, as they have hosted matches there. The Cheetahs have played at Free State Stadium, and Hoffe Park Stadium, but have not hosted a match at Peter Mokaba Stadium. They have however hosted a match at North West Stadium. The Lions have never hosted a match at FNB Stadium or Mbombela Stadium. The Sharks have not hosted a match at Moses Mabhida Stadium. The Stormers have played at Cape Town Stadium, but only as an away team, they have not hosted a match there.
I propose that changes be made to reflect this, unless someone presents a case which shows otherwise Crazydude22 (talk) 10:14, 23 April 2012 (UTC)
Overuse of National flags
Why do we need to have the national flag of each team on each and every list in this article? It seems like total overkill. The "Current Franchise" list clearly details where each franchise is from so why does the flag need to precede each team on each list? I propose to delete all national flags with the exception of the "Current franchise" list as they are not necessary. Any issues? Anderch (talk) 03:29, 21 March 2014 (UTC)
- I think that it is useful at times having those flags. For example, you can quickly look at the "Champions" section and see that South African teams won the competition three times. So I think there's some benefit there. But there's no point in having flags in the "Conference Winners" section, since each column represents a different country, so all flags would be the same. TheMightyPeanut (talk) 10:47, 21 March 2014 (UTC)
- I somewhat agree with you however I thinking that the Champions table should be sortable and if this is the case then the flags would have to go and maybe replaced with a "Winning Country" Column. In any case the team list is just above it and it take two seconds to look also if you go to the teams page all info is there too. The flags are largely superfluous on this page because ultimately it is a club competition not a country or international competition, so if anything club logos should be displayed not country flags. Anderch (talk) 06:32, 5 April 2014 (UTC)
- Have commenced removing unnecessary flags as of 10 April 2014. Anderch (talk) 02:25, 10 April 2014 (UTC)
- I somewhat agree with you however I thinking that the Champions table should be sortable and if this is the case then the flags would have to go and maybe replaced with a "Winning Country" Column. In any case the team list is just above it and it take two seconds to look also if you go to the teams page all info is there too. The flags are largely superfluous on this page because ultimately it is a club competition not a country or international competition, so if anything club logos should be displayed not country flags. Anderch (talk) 06:32, 5 April 2014 (UTC)
Table ranking on tied points
The article does not say how teams are ranked when they are tied on points. This is taken from the superxv.com site:
In the event of two or more teams being equal on competition points for any position on either the Conference or Super Rugby Standings tables, either during or at the end of the season, such position will be decided upon using the following steps until the tie is broken:
(a) Most wins from all matches;
(b) Highest aggregate points difference from all matches;
(c) Most tries from all matches;
(d) Highest aggregate difference of total tries for versus tries scored against from all matches;
(e) Coin toss.
The following table is taken from the this site after the games played on 4 April 2014.
| Team | P | W | L | D | B | PF | PA | PD | Bp | Ttl | |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 4 | Lions | 6 | 4 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 157 | 148 | 9 | 0 | 16 |
| 5 | Waratahs | 5 | 3 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 140 | 94 | 46 | 4 | 16 |
| 6 | Bulls | 6 | 3 | 2 | 1 | 0 | 145 | 138 | 7 | 2 | 16 |
| 7 | Blues | 7 | 3 | 4 | 0 | 0 | 193 | 198 | -5 | 4 | 16 |
--Jamieoglethorpe (talk) 04:23, 5 April 2014 (UTC)
[2]
- You are right but is this level of information necessary? You could add a brief sentence about in in the format section and refer people to the super rugby web page for more detail but this much detail is not needed here. Anderch (talk) 20:16, 5 April 2014 (UTC)
- That information is already on the season article pages, eg. on 2014 Super Rugby season, just below the log in the "Legend and Competition rules" table. It doesn't really make sense to have in on this article, when there isn't actually any standings on this page. I I agree with Anderch, it's an overkill on this page. TheMightyPeanut (talk) 09:51, 6 April 2014 (UTC)
New Champions Table
I have come up with a modified Champions table from the one that is on the main page that contains a little bit more information and also is now sortable. This has meant columns have changed but all existing info is still there. I debate whether on not it is necessary to have "losing semi finalists" in a champions table as to me this doesn't make sense but I have left them in. If no one has any issues I will replace the table on the main page with this one. Anderch (talk) 01:22, 19 April 2014 (UTC)
- I think it looks better. I've made a few changes as per the Manual of Style -- including minor things like capitalisation, and tried to ensure it has better access to those with screen readers (as per WP:ACCESS). I've listed the table below. I'd be happy for you to boldly replace the current table with this one.
This page has reverted to a very old version
Has anyone noticed how this page has reverted to a very old version? eg about three months old. Can anyone explain why or how this has happened? I can't see any changes in the history page. Can it be changed back?? Anderch (talk) 07:42, 27 July 2014 (UTC)
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- The above sources were checked; the archive links did not seem to work. However, the links were updated to a different source. TheMightyPeanut (talk) 09:38, 18 October 2015 (UTC)
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Salary Cap
What are the Argentine and Japanese salary caps or do they have any? Mobile mundo (talk) 00:19, 13 October 2016 (UTC)
Salary Cap section needs to be re-written, it's a direct copy of the NZ herald article. 219.89.80.123 (talk) 06:54, 29 March 2017 (UTC)
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Women's competition
Please add the Women's Super Rugby info here 2406:E003:1494:C201:9893:7DE8:6DE0:2B7C (talk) 08:08, 27 May 2022 (UTC)
Cats and the Lions as former franchises?
Is there a need to list both names in the list? It seems redundant, since it's just a name change. The club was known as the Lions before changing to the Cats; by that logic, should the Lions be listed twice? —C.Fred (talk) 19:42, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
- I think it should personally be included here somewhere, although I would also be happy with a hatnote stating that between certain years they were known as the Cats. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 17:48, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
Requested move 20 April 2025
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The result of the move request was: Not Moved per COMMONNAME (non-admin closure) >>> Extorc.talk 13:33, 27 April 2025 (UTC)
Super Rugby → Template:No redirect – There is now a Super Rugby in the Americas, all the commentators (At least in Australia where I am) call it "Super Rugby Pacific", the website calls it that everywhere including league news: [1]. Also, I am also requesting that Super Rugby redirect to this article even if there is consensus to move to Super Rugby Pacific Servite et contribuere (talk) 10:57, 20 April 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose Common name of the competition for me is still Super Rugby rather than the currently stylised named. The league website still uses Super Rugby also (see statistics, news, etc). I think this differs from when it was previously Super 14 and became Super Rugby as everything was changed and it became the common name. If consensus changes in the future though and it commonly becomes known as Super Rugby Pacific then happy to re-consider in a future request. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 11:08, 20 April 2025 (UTC)
- Also, the sub-competitions for the Women's game Super Rugby Aupiki and Super Rugby Women's also both use just Super Rugby rather than Super Rugby Pacific. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 11:09, 20 April 2025 (UTC)
- Rugbyfan22 Please note that one of the clauses is to have Super Rugby as a redirect to Super Rugby Pacific Servite et contribuere (talk) 11:15, 20 April 2025 (UTC)
- I appreciate this, but I still feel that Super Rugby is still the common name for the competition as a whole and that the Pacific naming is just a stylisation for the current format of the competition. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 11:18, 20 April 2025 (UTC)
- Rugbyfan22 I have also notified a bunch of WP:Projects about this RM Servite et contribuere (talk) 11:47, 20 April 2025 (UTC)
- There is no point in moving the page if 'Super Rugby' still redirects here. Traumnovelle (talk) 19:45, 20 April 2025 (UTC)
- I appreciate this, but I still feel that Super Rugby is still the common name for the competition as a whole and that the Pacific naming is just a stylisation for the current format of the competition. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 11:18, 20 April 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose. I agree with Rugbyfan22 that the common name is still "Super Rugby" and that Super Rugby Pacific is just the current version of Super Rugby. It's very well possible that if the format changes again and teams from other countries are added (e.g., the return of the Jaguares or one or two South African teams; the addition of Japanese clubs), the name of the current variation of Super Rugby changes again to reflect that, but it will still be Super Rugby.
- ↑ Script error: No such module "citation/CS1".
- ↑ http://www.superxv.com/table/