Talk:Sociative case

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Finnish dialect and slang -nkaa - isn't that only a genetive + clitic, from kanssa, because it doesn't agree with the root in vowel harmony? (E.g. kissankaa, käyränkaa)

According to [1], Kashmiri also has a sociative case. Anyone know more about this? Pruneau^T 17:05, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

What is the difference between this and the Comitative case? They have the exact same meaning, but they're called by different names and are on different sections of the "Grammatical cases" box. --Wtrmute (talk) 12:19, 9 February 2011 (UTC)

Dravidian languages seem to have sociative as well

The Dravidian social ablative, as some have called it, or rather, as it should be termed, the conjunctive case, though it takes an important position in the Dravidian languages, has been omitted in each dialect from the list of cases, or added on to the instrumental case, simply because Sanskrit knows nothing of it as separate from the instrumental. The conjunctive, or social, stands in greater need of a place of its own in the list of cases in these languages than in Sanskrit, seeing that in these it has several case-signs of its own, whilst in Sanskrit it has none. (Caldwell 1961:278).

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http://www.languagesgulper.com/eng/Dravidian.html

213.168.13.206 (talk) 17:17, 28 May 2016 (UTC)

The link indicates that Proto-Dravidian has a sociative case but the list doesn't include a comitative case. Since there was also an instrumental case, if Proto-Dravidian distinguished gender similarly to Tamil, namely by rational and irrational nouns, then it's possible that the sociative was used with rational nouns and the instrumental with irrational nouns. However, that page doesn't offer any relevant insight into modern Dravidian languages, including Tamil.

As for the quote, it's from a paper written by Professor Emeritus Harold F. Schiffman entitled The Tamil Case System. The part that's quoted is actually a footnote from a section discussing the fact that traditional grammars analysed the Tamil instrumental case suffix and the sociative (or comitative) case suffixes as all part of the instrumental case. However, this does not indicate consensus that Tamil grammarians do consider Tamil to have a sociative case. Further, I believe the paper was written in the 1980s, so a more recent source should be looked for.

The Tamil sociative case suffixes presented in the article could be analysed as the comitative case. That is, we need to determine whether current Tamil grammarians analyse the listed suffixes as representing a sociative case or comitative case. There is also a possibility that both cases are considered productive with one suffix representing the sociative and the other representing the comitative. If so, then we should include in this article that modern Tamil grammar has both cases, and also explain the differences specifically in the context of Tamil. — Jclu: talk-contribs 18:14, 20 May 2025 (UTC)

More sources

I’m not an expert, so I’m not able to evaluate the reliability of sources, but I see a lot in Google Scholar. Bearian (talk) 18:36, 23 November 2024 (UTC)

Can you provide specific links from Google Scholar? — Jclu: talk-contribs 17:55, 20 May 2025 (UTC)