Talk:Sixth Avenue

Is all of 6th Ave called Avenue of the Americas

...or only a certain portion, and, if so, which portion? paul klenk 13:15, 6 September 2005 (UTC)

The whole thing.

Why did they change the name? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.91.0.40 (talk) 06:50, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

Image Gallery

Why is there this tag on the page? For images does not seem like too many. Can we remove the tag? --216.195.221.106 20:30, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

The article was tagged "cleanup" 17:32, 11 August 2007 by User:Metaprimer. Perhaps it was a joke. Many editors find these tags harmless, even decorative. --Wetman (talk) 18:28, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

Images on the left and on the right

Does anyone besides me consider this poor layout? patsw (talk) 03:08, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

It doesn't look nearly enough like our model layout, a deli menu.--Wetman (talk) 03:44, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

Fixed. I thought the two images were too similar to each other to both be in the article. I standardized the size and placement. The article could be helped with an image of one of those lamppost medallions which are unique to Sixth Ave. patsw (talk) 19:04, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

Proposed Move

Even if no one calls it Avenue of the Americas, it still is officially the Avenue of the Americas, just like how people in Ho Chi Minh City still call it Saigon, but the page is officially the first. Discuss here.Nicholas.tan (talk) 03:45, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

Think: "What is the simplest title a Wikipedia reader will enter to find this material? That's your title. All other possibilities should have redirects. Keep the Wikipedia reader firmly in view and you'll make few errors of judgment.--Wetman (talk) 04:19, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

Nicholas Tan is right. See [1]. We may actually have to rename this article. ScottyBerg (talk) 14:13, 20 June 2010 (UTC)

I just researched whether we have to rename this and I have to revise my opinion. WP naming conventions require the most common name, which is probably Sixth Avenue. But a case can be made for renaming, given that this is the official title. ScottyBerg (talk) 14:25, 20 June 2010 (UTC)

One advantage of a rename is that we could do away with the parenthesized disambiguation. There are many Sixth Avenues, but only one Avenue of the Americas. Pburka (talk) 03:18, 22 July 2012 (UTC)

"Avenue of the Americas" is pretty much a dead issue. No one in NYC uses it, it survives primarily on letterheads as company addresses. Our policy goes by common names, and Sixth Avenue is without a doubt its common name. Beyond My Ken (talk) 04:48, 22 July 2012 (UTC)

That's not really true. Especially below Houston Street it's quite commonly used, along with the abbreviation AOA. A quick GNews search shows hundreds of references to the name in the last few weeks, including in the New York Times. I don't have any reliable sources discussing the use of the name, but claiming that no one uses it is anecdotal and unsupportable. Pburka (talk) 13:04, 22 July 2012 (UTC)

Actually, there are some sources. this one and this one support the 6th Ave name. I still stand by my own anecdotal evidence that AOA and Avenue of the Americas are used in SoHo and Tribeca, although I acknowledge that 6th is more common. Pburka (talk) 23:06, 22 July 2012 (UTC)

Actually, policy is *not* simply determined by common name. The most common name is the preferred name, but if it is not available then alternative names are preferred to parenthetical disambiguation. From WP:NATURAL:

There are generally three methods employed to avoid using an ambiguous title:

Natural disambiguation: If it exists, choose an alternative name that the subject is also commonly called in English, albeit not as commonly as the preferred-but-ambiguous title. Do not, however, use obscure or made-up names. [...]

Parenthetical disambiguation: If natural disambiguation is not possible, add a disambiguating term in parentheses, after the ambiguous name.

It seems to me that policy therefore suggests a rename to Avenue of the Americas as preferable to Sixth Avenue (Manhattan). So whether the name is widely used within NYC is moot: it is, at least, widely recognized, and therefore serves as an alternative title, and policy is that such alternative titles are preferable to the currently-used parenthetical method. JulesH (talk) 09:29, 3 June 2013 (UTC)

Which cross -streets carry which flag(s)?

Which cross -streets carry which flag(s)? Are every nation reresented? Cuba too? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.54.90.50 (talk) 22:14, 13 April 2010‎ (UTC)

Venezuela sign

The random picture of the Venezuela sign doesn't seem to contribute much to this page. There are more powerful pictures of Sixth Avenue in the Wiki Commons. I propose the picture be replaced.

Richard Apple (talk) 20:51, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

Source for use of official name being rare

The first sentence states:

Sixth Avenue – officially Avenue of the Americas, although this name is seldom used by New Yorkers[1]

Where reference 1 is dated 1978. This reference is well over 30 years old; it was written only slightly over 30 years after the name change, which has hence now persisted for over twice as long as it had when the source was written. I don't think this is therefore a valid source for present attitudes of New Yorkers to the subject. Can we find a more up-to-date one? JulesH (talk) 09:17, 3 June 2013 (UTC)

The source is still valid, and the fact is still true. No NYer calls it Ave of the Americas, and, in fact, the DOT finally gave in and double-signed the avenue with both names. Beyond My Ken (talk) 15:37, 3 June 2013 (UTC)

Jules -- take your pick.Epeefleche (talk) 16:31, 3 June 2013 (UTC)

Some street name changes "take" and some do not. No one thinks of Park Avenue or Park Avenue South as "4th Avenue" anymore, and West End Avenue is firmly ensconced and no longer thought of as "11th Avenue". For whatever reason, "Avenue of the Americas" just didn't take with the person on the street. It's used in addresses and that's about it. If someone comes up to me on the street and asks which way the Avenue of the Americas is, I know for certain that they're from out of town. Beyond My Ken (talk) 19:32, 3 June 2013 (UTC)

Requested move 8 May 2018

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: move. (closed by non-admin page mover) feminist (talk) 09:40, 15 May 2018 (UTC)

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• Sixth Avenue (Manhattan) → Sixth AvenueSixth Avenue
• Sixth Avenue → Sixth Avenue (disambiguation)Sixth Avenue (disambiguation)

– Pageviews Analysis verifies that Sixth Avenue in Manhattan has long been the highest-viewed article of any other listed on the disambiguation page; this would follow the same logic that is in place with Fifth Avenue in Manhattan, where it is recognized as the primary topic of its own term. WikiRedactor (talk) 00:51, 8 May 2018 (UTC)

• Support - Fine with me. Beyond My Ken (talk) 03:39, 8 May 2018 (UTC)
• Oppose - First - no page view results have been submitted here so far, so we don't have any actual evidence of the OP's claim. Even if we did, this isn't the sort of thing we should be depending on page views for - those are inevitably skewed simply by virtue of this being in NYC. This is such a common street name, that we should leave the primary topic as is, so that accidental links to this page can be found easily and disambiguated as necessary later. Per WP:PRIMARYTOPIC, I can't see how this street satisfies the Template:Tq considering all possible streets named this. -- Netoholic @ 05:42, 8 May 2018 (UTC)
• Oppose NYC-centrism In ictu oculi (talk) 08:03, 8 May 2018 (UTC)
• Support. Clear primary topic, even to non-Americans like me. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:13, 9 May 2018 (UTC)
• Support. more famous by far than any other 6th avenue...Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 21:11, 11 May 2018 (UTC)
• Support per WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. The page view stats are here. There are really only two articles that are exactly titled "Sixth Avenue". Even if you include all the other articles on the dab page *plus* the name of a subway station that's not even on the disambiguation page, this is by far the most viewed of the Sixth Avenue pages. Also, if this is such a common street name, I guess Fifth Avenue, Park Avenue, and Third Avenue should also be moved back to the titles with disambiguators, since these are also common street names. epicgenius (talk) 23:10, 11 May 2018 (UTC) Edit: fixed. epicgenius (talk) 23:12, 11 May 2018 (UTC)
• Comment. There appear to be competing proposals currently being considered: this one, to drop the qualification, and a proposal to add a qualification to Fifth Avenue. Perhaps these discussions should be merged for the sake of consistency. Pburka (talk) 01:38, 12 May 2018 (UTC)
• Support, per this pageview analysis. Nine Zulu queens (talk) 08:46, 13 May 2018 (UTC)

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