Talk:Shooting of James Ashley

Dumping ground

*Officers face action over shooting (internal disciplinary proceedings against the supt and inspectors, Dec 2001)

• Danger of suicide by cop (PCA report, Jan 2003)
• Detective fights suspension over shooting (officer in charge of operation fights suspension, Feb 2002)
• No action against fatal shooting officer (DCC's resignation, Dec 2001)
• Victim's family renew inquiry plea (HO considers public inquiry, July 2001), also Shooting inquiry 'will be considered' (May 2001)

—HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts?

Informal PR

Just a few points that sprang to mind while going over it:

• The lead doesn't give the impression that the aim of the police raid was apprehending McCrudden – it looks like it was only drugs related
• surveillance in October 1997: any idea how long it was in place?
• "at approximately 0430": shouldn't that be 04:30?
• The suspension of the officers: as far as I'm aware, it's standard procedure to suspend firearms officers if they have been involved in a shooting: it may be worth adding a line about that.
• It may be worth a line or two about how a second inquiry came about. Who made the decision and why sort of thing.
• "The police admitted false imprisonment negligence in relation to the planning" needs a bit of a tweak to make sense
• Move the drugs tip-off info into the prelude? It would seem to make more sense to have that all in the build up
• Mention that there were six flats – it reads as if the three of them alone shared the building, rather than other tenants
• You repeat the positions and first names of 'Sussex's chief constable, Paul Whitehouse, his deputy, Mark Jordan' a few times, which can be trimmed

Overall I think this covers all the main points I would hope to see, with only the details above that point to anything missing (I know nothing about the case, and so my impression is only based on what I've read here). It's an interesting one overall and nicely pulled together. Cheers - SchroCat (talk) 22:34, 6 May 2020 (UTC)

Requested move 3 July 2020

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: Move all Template:Nac (t · c) buidhe 00:53, 11 July 2020 (UTC)

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• Death of James Ashley → Shooting of James AshleyShooting of James Ashley
• Death of Jean Charles de Menezes → Shooting of Jean Charles de MenezesShooting of Jean Charles de Menezes
• Death of Mark Duggan → Shooting of Mark DugganShooting of Mark Duggan
• Death of Anthony Grainger → Shooting of Anthony GraingerShooting of Anthony Grainger
• Death of Azelle Rodney → Shooting of Azelle RodneyShooting of Azelle Rodney
• Death of Harry Stanley → Shooting of Harry StanleyShooting of Harry Stanley
• Death of Yassar Yaqub → Shooting of Yassar YaqubShooting of Yassar Yaqub

– The usual convention for articles on Wikipedia that are about deaths by shooting is "Shooting of" (unless they are clearly murder and are called "Murder of"). This is consistent across many articlesTemplate:Snd see the consistent naming pattern of the large number of articles in Category:People shot dead by law enforcement officers in the United States, Category:People shot dead by law enforcement officers in Canada, Category:People shot dead by law enforcement officers in Australia, Category:People shot dead by law enforcement officers in Germany, Category:People shot dead by law enforcement officers in Thailand, and similar categories for most other countries. This has been supported by recent consensus in several RM discussions, including the recent multi-article RMs at Talk:Shooting of Roni Levi, Talk:Shooting of Sammy Yatim , Talk:Shooting of Breonna Taylor, and Talk:Shooting of Atatiana Jefferson, and also single-page RM discussions at Talk:Shooting of Chaiyaphum Pasae, Talk:Shooting of Benno Ohnesorg, and Talk:Shooting of Yoshihiro Hattori. This change would apply the same convention for Category:People shot dead by law enforcement officers in the United Kingdom. —BarrelProof (talk) 07:44, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

• Support all per detailed nomination [adjusting typo: Shooting of Death of Jean Charles de Menezes]. Standard forms of main title headers for Wikipedia articles delineating deaths by firearm. —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 18:24, 3 July 2020 (UTC)
• Support all - it's not disputed that they were all shot. Jim Michael (talk) 17:54, 4 July 2020 (UTC)
• Support all, it is not disputed that they were all shot, and shooting is more specific as to the cause of death.--Bob not snob (talk) 07:37, 5 July 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose – Several of these were ruled as "killing" or "homicide". For example, Azelle Rodney was legally ruled as an unlawful killing. Titling these articles as "shooting"s is euphemistic. --- C&C (Coffeeandcrumbs) 10:25, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

Shooting of vs Killing of?

Is there a reason this isn't at Killing of? I didn't see any discussion other than the multi-article move request from Death of. Valereee (talk) 16:14, 1 December 2024 (UTC)