Talk:Shoji

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Macron in title

This has been on my mind since a while back, but since the article has been developing, I thought I'd bring it up now: should the article instead be at "Shoji"? The term is present in English dictionaries without the diacritic, making it the WP:COMMONNAME in English. Examples: OED, MW, Collins, Cambridge. Opencooper (talk) 05:42, 19 February 2020 (UTC)

This makes sense. The only difficulty might be consistency. The minimal pair "koshi" and "kōshi" are both used, each appropriately to its distinct sense, and some English-language texts call kōshi koshi, which would be very confusing if followed in the article. HLHJ (talk) 04:39, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

Oh, my proposal is only for the term "shoji"; every other non-English term would still be romanized appropriately.

The koshi thing is confusing, but it's usually possible to reword or disambiguate. For example, you could qualify them as "kōshi lattice" and "koshi panel". Opencooper (talk) 08:51, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

I've written a pronunciation description into the lede; I haven't propagated the templates or spelling through the article, and I'm afraid I have enough of an irrational distaste for the work required that I don't think I'm likely to do it (partly as I had carefully gone though and changed shoji to shōji to accord with the existing style). JAANUS uses "shouji" and "koushi", but most other sources seem to treat the macron as mere decoration, to be omitted at will... HLHJ (talk) 00:12, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

Template:Re I wouldn't mind changing the occurrences in the article, as well as requesting the page be moved to the macron-less form. That is, if you don't have any objections. :) Opencooper (talk) 06:06, 25 February 2020 (UTC)

I'm sorry, Opencooper, rather belated answer. I have no objections. Thank you very much for being wiling to do it. HLHJ (talk) 02:06, 5 March 2020 (UTC)

My apologies in turn, this slipped my mind and I just now remembered. I requested a move, so once that goes through I'll align the article. Opencooper (talk) 06:01, 4 May 2020 (UTC)

I completely object to removing the macron. This move should never have been a "technical" request but a proper move request. Move to restore original name of article. Gryffindor (talk) 21:30, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

Pronunciation

@User:HLHJ, do you have a source for /ɕoɯʑi/? Suzukaze-c (talk) 06:14, 2 March 2020 (UTC)

Suzukaze-c, I think I used a hiragana-IPA correspondence table, and am not surprised if this fails to give the correct pronunciation. I am happy to accept any correction, and I'd be even happier to have a source. Thank you for improving the article. HLHJ (talk) 02:04, 5 March 2020 (UTC)

Post distance

In the second paragraph of the lead, the article states: The posts are generally placed one tatami-length (about 2m or 3ft) apart.... Two meters ≈ six feet? 76.119.40.77 (talk) 11:47, 2 March 2020 (UTC)

Yes, 76.119.40.77, that was remarkably stupid of me. I did know that a meter is ~3ft, but somehow mistyped, and I have a habit of ignoring Imperial measurements when reading, so I never noticed... It is now fixed. Next time, please feel free to fix it yourself; it would improve the encyclopedia. HLHJ (talk) 01:59, 5 March 2020 (UTC)