Talk:Second Crusade

Baltic?

The box on the right hand side mentions crusader victories in the Baltic. The main body of the article does not mention this. Is this really correct? (The Baltic seems a long way from the main action!) SolarMcPanel (talk) 22:32, 20 February 2012 (UTC)94.171.230.254 (talk) 22:30, 20 February 2012 (UTC)

It is mentioned in the section about the Wendish Crusade. Adam Bishop (talk) 23:56, 20 February 2012 (UTC)

Is Nur al-Din the same as Nur ad-Din?

Is Nur al-Din the same as Nur ad-Din? the article refers to both of these people but they seem to be the same person. If so, which is the right spelling? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.168.240.85 (talk) 01:38, 19 October 2015 (UTC)

Actually both are correct, it's just that the Arabic definite article "al-" is pronounced differently if it's followed by certain letters, including D. In Arabic (and other languages that use the Arabic alphabet), this word for example is always spelled "al-Din", but it's pronounced "ad-Din". Sometimes the English spelling reflects the pronunciation change, depending on the style of transliteration being used. Wikipedia's manual of style suggests using "ad-Din", and personally I have always spelled his name "Nur ad-Din" here, but the rule is haphazardly enforced at best... Adam Bishop (talk) 08:58, 19 October 2015 (UTC)

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It was a total muslim victories

The christians have expanded out of orient so its a muslim victories, your guys should wrote it ! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 176.190.253.53 (talk) 19:53, 29 August 2016 (UTC)

Decisive victory by Muslim forces is already written on the page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.15.34.13 (talk) 14:12, 27 November 2018 (UTC)

Read the article and check your spelling before you post, even more for an unnecessary comment.

ICE77 (talk) 04:01, 30 June 2022 (UTC)

Stephen of Blois (junior) was not in the Second Crusade

Stephen of Blois (senior) certainly participated in the First Crusade. Stephen of Blois (junior) did not participate in the Second Crusade (as explained in the article). Hence, why is the second listed in the right column?

ICE77 (talk) 04:09, 30 June 2022 (UTC)

WP:URFA/2020

There are issues with maps:

• File:Crusade 2.jpg isn't a free image. It comes from this website which says "Unless otherwise stated, all maps on this site are © ExploreTheMed"
• File:Deuxième croisade.JPG is unsourced, in French, and low quality
• File:Byzantium1173.JPG is unsourced and terribly ugly. Commons says that this map "has been superseded by File:Byzantium1173.svg" but that SVG map shows different borders (and is also unsourced). Which one is correct?

Once we have reliable sources, we could ask new maps on the Wikipedia:Graphics_Lab/Map_workshop A455bcd9 (talk) 15:20, 9 December 2022 (UTC)

File:Crusade 2.jpg has been nominated for speedy deletion on Commons. A455bcd9 (talk) 10:47, 10 December 2022 (UTC)

Results

The Muslims won in the levant by retaining their territories in battles like Siege of Damascus and if you are doing Muslim or crusader victory then Mecklenburg shouldn’t be included because Muslims didn’t fight there. Seljukjerusalem (talk) 00:57, 30 September 2023 (UTC) Sockstrike ☿ Apaugasma (talk ☉) 20:32, 7 October 2023 (UTC)

Apologies for the question in my last edit summary - the word used in your actual edit was 'retrained', which confused me, but I see you meant 'retained' which makes sense. I'd be interested to hear what other contributors think about the changes Seljukjerusalem has proposed (see the last couple of edits). Girth Summit _(blether) 08:14, 30 September 2023 (UTC)

I'll add that I have no problem with the removal of the Mecklenburg section 'Result' field in the Infobox - Mecklenburg gets a single passing mention in the article, so it does seem odd to include it in the Infobox. If there was no territorial gain for either side in the Levant however, I'd have thought 'Status quo ante bellum' was correct. Girth Summit _(blether) 08:17, 30 September 2023 (UTC)

@Girth Summit I think Mecklenburg should be removed. It is an area completely outside the fold/theatre of Muslim-Christian conflicts in contrast to Anatolia, Iberia, and the Levant. It already has its own page at Wendish Crusade. Noorullah (talk) 20:33, 25 October 2023 (UTC)

As for the Levant, the Status quo ante bellum is fine as it is alongside the Zengid Military victory, no sides made territorial gains. (From what I know). Noorullah (talk) 20:34, 25 October 2023 (UTC)

I have no objection to you removing it if that's what you think is best. Girth Summit _(blether) 11:37, 28 October 2023 (UTC)

The Crusader victories in Iberia

The aftermath of these crusade includes the crusader victories in Iberia including the conquest of Lisbon and Tortossa. The article's aftermath section needs to be modified along those lines. Glockerov (talk) 10:56, 4 December 2024 (UTC)

No, because it's already discussed in the § Background section, because it's background context—occurring as the body of Crusaders was setting off from Europe. Remsense ‥ 论 11:52, 4 December 2024 (UTC)

It is an integral part of the crusade, not "background context". The Crusaders conducted the campaign under the command of papal bull and with their crusade indulgence guaranteed. Therefore, the aftermath of those campaigns is the aftermath of the whole crusade. I think we've found common ground there. You seem to be under the impression that the Crusaders must leave Europe before a crusade starts, however, that's wrong. Papal sanctioning is what makes a campaign a crusade and the wester campaigns have that. Thus, the campaigns are part of the crusade and the results part of the aftermath of the whole crusade. Glockerov (talk) 14:34, 4 December 2024 (UTC)