Talk:Real Madrid CF

Erroneous foundation of Real Madrid CF

Real Madrid CF was officially founded on April 22, 1902 (legally constituted sports entity). March 6 was the constitution of the board of directors, but not the creation of the club at an official level. There are many articles and documents that prove this. You can see for example: [1] 213.143.48.242 (talk) 09:47, 6 March 2025 (UTC)

Totally agree. The Real Madrid foundation date was officially on April 22. 185.124.28.115 (talk) 16:11, 9 March 2025 (UTC)

Article review

It has been a while since this article has been reviewed, so I took a look and saw lots of uncited statements. I also saw that this article is over 12,000 words, and I think there is lots of information that can be moved to other articles or removed as too much detail. Should this article go to WP:GAR? Z1720 (talk) 17:12, 23 May 2025 (UTC)

Content removed? What content? Unless you cite examples of what could be moved, I don't think it would be a good idea considering how iconic and notable this club is. Thank you Servite et contribuere (talk) 17:33, 23 May 2025 (UTC)

Template:Re WP:TOOBIG recommends splitting articles that are over 9,000 words and articles on more notable topics, like Earth, achieve this. Shorter articles also allow readers to focus on the most important information, with more specific information presented in other articles. I always recommend that subject-matter experts spin out and trim the article first as they are more likely to identify the most important information. After taking a skim through the article, here are some places where I think the text might be reduced:

• The lead, which is longer than most Wikipedia articles (WP:LEAD used to recommend 4 paragraphs, and these paragraphs seem to be quite long).
• The History section, especially 2009-present: While earlier periods of the club's history have a couple of paragraphs, post-2009 has 5 sub-sections and 18 paragraphs. This makes me think that there is article bloat from after this article was promoted to GA status.
• The "El Clásico" section (under rivalries) has very large paragraphs: perhaps there is too much detail or prose that can be more concise.
• "Finances and ownership": some of the ownership information should probably be mentioned in "History", which would reduce the prose here.

Those are my suggestions, and I am happy to comment on any suggestions others have. This article length concern is in addition to the uncited text concern. Z1720 (talk) 18:00, 23 May 2025 (UTC)

Champions?

Why does the page say Madrid are champions of La Liga. They are not, they placed second with 84 points, 4 under Barcelona’s 88. 2600:4040:4477:E900:D56E:CB39:CFE:6BE6 (talk) 01:10, 28 May 2025 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 28 May 2025

It says that Real Madrid are champions of the 2024-2025 season. They are not. They placed second with 84 points, 4 under Barcelona’s 88. 2600:4040:4477:E900:D56E:CB39:CFE:6BE6 (talk) 01:13, 28 May 2025 (UTC)

File:Yes check.svg Done The position parameter in the infobox is using a template to update the ranking. I fixed the template (no need to edit the article). Annh07 (talk) 01:48, 28 May 2025 (UTC)

@Annh07: the template should be updated only after the end of the season. The season did not end in the Tercera Federación and in the regional leagues. Your (and @EndzoneEnthusiast's) edits are incorrect. Please revert it properly. BRDude⁷⁰ (talk) 16:08, 9 June 2025 (UTC)

Why would we want out of date information? Clubs/divisions can be updated separately, so why wait for a minor league to finish to update the most widely viewed teams? Spike 'em (talk) 16:18, 9 June 2025 (UTC)

I agree with Spike, although updating all divisions after the season ends might be better, most people don't want to see outdated information, which leads to them possibly removing the template to update manually (e.g. Barcelona). Annh07 (talk) 17:52, 9 June 2025 (UTC)

Why would we care about whether the season has finished in the 18 fifth-tier leagues, User:BrazilianDude70? Nfitz (talk) 23:00, 9 June 2025 (UTC)

@Nfitz then why don't we stop editing those pages as nobody cares? Why don't we delete 90% of this Wikipedia because nobody cares? This is just a dumb comment, honestly. BRDude⁷⁰ (talk) 02:11, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

Who aid no one cares? I simply don't see why you, User:BrazilianDude70, are suggesting that we delay updating an article about A, because of B. When B has nothing to do with A. Nfitz (talk) 03:53, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

Requested move 9 June 2025

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: not moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) Jeffrey34555 (talk) 04:33, 16 June 2025 (UTC)

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Real Madrid CF → Real MadridReal Madrid – WP:COMMONNAME - see the ngrams 𐩣𐩫𐩧𐩨 Abo Yemen (𓃵) 10:06, 9 June 2025 (UTC)

Strong Oppose Per article titles of other clubs like Paris Saint-Germain, FC Bayern Munich which already have existing redirects per primary topic. And surely no one gets confused by CF or FC. Servite et contribuere (talk) 10:48, 9 June 2025 (UTC)

• Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related page moves. GiantSnowman 16:03, 9 June 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose per WP:OFFICIALNAME - otherwise we would have articles at Liverpool (football club), Man Utd, Barcelona (football club) etc. GiantSnowman 16:04, 9 June 2025 (UTC)

  WP:OFFICIALNAME does not support this case; it argues that the official name is not always the best fit. MB2437 02:33, 13 June 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose as per GiantSnowman above. BRDude⁷⁰ (talk) 16:05, 9 June 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose per above. Kante4 (talk) 16:06, 9 June 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose this is a consistent standard across thousands of football clubs. RedPatch (talk) 16:12, 9 June 2025 (UTC)
• Strong oppose as there is a WP:CONSISTENT standard and changing this has no tangible benefit but only causes inconsistency. Also a Google Books query that hasn't been created properly (as it lists back to 1800!) is not sufficient evidence of WP:COMMONNAME. Joseph2302 (talk) 16:14, 9 June 2025 (UTC)
• Strong oppose per WP:CONSISTENT. S.A. Julio (talk) 16:52, 9 June 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose - why? How is a redirect not enough? A major policy change should be discussed first at WT:WikiProject Football. Nfitz (talk) 22:57, 9 June 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose as per above - otherwise, how to distinguish between pages of the other sections of such multisport clubs - like basketball, handball, esports etc.? Shika99bul (talk) 08:36, 12 June 2025 (UTC)

Oppose Not only is it against naming convention, it is also ambiguous. Real Madrid is an organisation composed of top-level teams across multiple sports. Per WP:TITLEDAB: Template:Tq This article is not about the Template:Tq; it is specifically about the men's football team. MB2437 02:31, 13 June 2025 (UTC)

Strong oppose per WP:OFFICIALNAME and WP:CONSISTENT. Guyrichtheman (talk) 04:05, 13 June 2025 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

GA Reassessment

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