Talk:Pennsylvania

Bloated lead, with 12 citations

Lead is too long; too detailed; excessive statistics; a Lead should not have 12 citations; material can be incorporated in other sections

Vicedomino (talk) 22:00, 3 March 2023 (UTC)

Continuous disruptive editing, assumed ownership and manipulation narrative

Keystone18 has, for a series of months, operated in a mode of claimed ownership over this Wikipedia article. As discussions regarding this have been held on their talk page for imagery regarding this article and others—dating as far back as January 2023 between themselves and Pi.1415926535, Famartin, and Magnolia677 (evidence here), today they have attempted to manipulate and control the narrative regarding their disruptive editing and poor summaries by removing screenshots detailing what they were still refusing to acknowledge of the article being messed up by placing every image to the right (as evidenced, here). Refusing to sacrifice my character for the complete disregard of other contributors, I am posting this here to suggest by consensus that imagery is not always placed to the right as argued by them—and enforced by them through reverting everyone, specifically me. I will provide screenshots showing the results of their contributions in contrast with mine; I am also planning to forward this to the administration too, though I do acknowledge by procedure I will be likewise warned/reminded to not engage in edit wars—yet, apologizing, I also respond it seemed as if devil's advocate was the only choice.

• Contribution by Keystone18, which pushes history and geographic content down, and adds unnecessary blank space.
  Contribution by Keystone18, which pushes history and geographic content down, and adds unnecessary blank space.
• Images when placed to the left, which are proper according to their sections and does not push the content down. Image captions match the sub-sections.
  Images when placed to the left, which are proper according to their sections and does not push the content down. Image captions match the sub-sections.
• Another example of my contributions, when placed to the left.
  Another example of my contributions, when placed to the left.
• Third example of my contributions, when placed to the left which keeps this sub-section of history's images and captions properly placed.
  Third example of my contributions, when placed to the left which keeps this sub-section of history's images and captions properly placed.
• Fourth of example of my contributions, which doesn't impede on the geography section nor those following.
  Fourth of example of my contributions, which doesn't impede on the geography section nor those following.
• The final example of my contributions in contrast to Keystone18's narrative on their talk page and in edit summaries, revealing a properly formatted article.
  The final example of my contributions in contrast to Keystone18's narrative on their talk page and in edit summaries, revealing a properly formatted article.

Judge this as you all will. - TheLionHasSeen (talk) 17:03, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

And yes, I undid my revision to their talk page, allowing them to continue to maintain their own narrative. As the saying goes, give someone enough rope. - TheLionHasSeen (talk) 17:04, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

This has continued yet again, so here's how this will be handled: are you User:Keystone18 here to help build an encyclopedia, or impede? TheLionHasSeen (talk) 23:06, 29 July 2023 (UTC)

I see no crowding in that screenshot, and neither has anyone else to my knowledge. Keystone18 (talk) 20:59, 30 July 2023 (UTC)

The only problematic image is the one on the upper left with excessive white space, but none of these are even of the sections in which you moved images. Keystone18 (talk) 21:02, 30 July 2023 (UTC)

Navigable rivers?

There is a statement in the opening section that Pennsylvania has the most navigable rivers of any U.S. state. There is no cite for the claim, and it is not expanded upon anywhere else in the article. I've commented the statement out rather than deleted it at this point, as I have not contributed to this article before and am unaware of any discussions regarding this claim (though nothing appears in a search of the talk pages). Besides the lack of a cite, it's unclear what constitutes a navigable river. The Susquehanna, for instance, is shallow and rocky over much of its length, and the Genesee, though perhaps navigable downstream in New York, is just headwaters in Pennsylvania. Does anyone have any further info on this claim? Ken Gallager (talk) 17:35, 5 June 2024 (UTC)