Talk:Orson Welles

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Template:Ping regarding your question here, "Image credits in the infobox image are discouraged, even if the artist is notable, since the infobox should contain only key facts of the article's subject, per MOS:INFOBOX." Nikkimaria (talk) 03:09, 26 October 2024 (UTC)

Orson Welles Sources Remain, With Content Removed

Template:Moved discussion from You removed the term “magician” on the page Orson Welles, while leaving two sources immediately after that sentence in the lead section, one of which is a Los Angeles Times article and the other a scholarly paper which both specifically pertain to the importance of magic in the life of Orson Welles.

Welles regarded himself as "primarily a magician", and was disappointed others didn't according to Jim Steinmeyer, a world-renowned expert on the history of magic and illusions. Welles constantly referred to himself as a “magician” throughout his life. A widely viewed documentary about Welles life was aptly titled “Magician”. Welles performed a magic show on live television, frequently performed magic on talk shows, and prominently included magic in one of his most famous films, ”F For Fake”.

My question is why you would remove the term “magician”, without removing two sources that exclusively pertain to the huge importance of magic in Welles life and career. Why would these sources remain in the lead section without any mention of magic? Does this follow standard editing procedure on Wikipedia?

I am willing to provide many more sources pertaining to the importance of magic for Welles, and create a section of the article dedicated to Welles’ magic career. 98.161.184.51 (talk) 09:29, 2 November 2024 (UTC)

I do not doubt that Welles considered himself to be Template:Tq. However, I reject that most people consider him notable as a magician. It is one think to provide references about what Welles thought of himself, but what is important in the first sentence is what others thought was most important about him.

I directed you to MOS:LEADSENTENCE, which states Template:Tq Instead, this should be reserved for the most important notable things about Welles. Yes, Welles may have preformed on TV & in F For Fake, but being a magician is not what the vast majority of people think of when they think of Welles. I now note that MOS:BIOFIRSTSENTENCE states Template:Tq

To include Template:Tq as what Welles is most known for in the lead sentence is simply WP:UNDUE. Peaceray (talk) 18:13, 2 November 2024 (UTC)

Noting that James Naremore wrote: Template:Tq This is one of the sources that 98.161.184.51 cites, & I believe that it proves my point. Peaceray (talk) 18:28, 2 November 2024 (UTC)

Also noting that in the other source that 98.161.184.51 is citing, Richard Buffum states: Template:Tq Again, this argues to my point, Welles is not mainly notable as a magician. Peaceray (talk) 18:33, 2 November 2024 (UTC)

That all makes sense, and I genuinely appreciate you taking the time to walk me through your reasoning on this.

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