Talk:Northern Ireland

Semi-protected edit request on 21 February 2025

Change Term "Belfast Agreement" to "The Good Friday Agreement" the more commonly accepted name or a combination of both. 176.249.136.48 (talk) 15:25, 21 February 2025 (UTC)

Template:A note The article already mentions that the Belfast Agreement is commonly known as the Good Friday Agreement (both links lead to the same article). I personally don't see the need to change it, especially if some "Belfast Agreement" is attributed to certain sources. M.Bitton (talk) 15:51, 24 February 2025 (UTC)

I am just asking a doubt, If the title of the article on Wikipedia is 'Good Friday agreement', shouldn't it be shown first and 'Belfast agreement' in brackets? Warriorglance(talk to me) 11:00, 18 March 2025 (UTC)

Valid point, let me examine and then I’ll see what I can do. Valorrr (talk) 14:58, 23 March 2025 (UTC)

File:Yes check.svg Done Valorrr (talk) 15:01, 23 March 2025 (UTC)

Map

Canterbury Tail:

• "The map is utterly illegible in thumbnail format." — So what? So many maps and other images have to be blown up.
• "You have to get the largest zoom version of it to be able to read it." — That's right. So it is with so many images, including most every OSM-based map that I have made. By and large, there have been no problems with that. Why are you so upset with this particular one? Let users blow them up to full size. It's no big deal, after all.
• "Plus it's not just the main towns and settlements, there's so much going on in it." – Oh dear! Am I wilfully committing the serious crime of spreading knowledge? That is what I am here for and I am proud to do it. That map is meant to be exhaustive, Cant. This is an encyclopaedia, not a travel brochure. I have filled that map with information and I worked long and hard to do it so that users could have maximum information.
• "For an article like this a better map would be a smaller one with the main settlements picked out that can be easily viewed by readers." — You mean a crappy map that tells users next to nothing. And for your information, "an article like this" is one that should include as much information about Northern Ireland as possible — and this map helps make it possible.

I don't know what it is, Cant. Perhaps you suffer information overload when confronted by files such as this one. Perhaps you can't create things yourself and get jealous of those who can, but that doesn't entitle you to destroy their efforts and remove perfectly relevant information from WP, but I have made many of these maps, and they all seem to have been well received. So just lay off, please. There's no better map of Northern Ireland on WP than this one. Kelisi (talk) 21:33, 30 March 2025 (UTC)

The problem is it's of no use to the reader for the most part when you have to open the image and then zoom in a couple of times before it's legible. Yes it's a good map, but it's not particularly helpful in the article. Reading the article it provides zero value unless you go off and click into it and load the zoom. Additionally you've been around long enough to understand WP:BRD and WP:ONUS. Canterbury Tail talk 21:41, 30 March 2025 (UTC)

It is of perfectly good use, just like all the others that I've made. You talk about blowing a file up as though it were some kind of Herculean labour. It's two clicks for Pete's sake. I have a suggestion: if you don't like looking at the map, then don't look at it. Many others would love to look at it. You have no business forbidding them to do so. Kelisi (talk) 23:46, 30 March 2025 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 14 April 2025

Change Rory McIlroy major wins from 4 to 5. 71.83.165.44 (talk) 05:40, 14 April 2025 (UTC)

File:Yes check.svg Done Day Creature (talk) 06:18, 14 April 2025 (UTC)

2021 - catholics outnumber protestants why not say?

i think it's important to say

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Northern_Ireland#2021_-_catholics_outnumber_protestants_why_not_say?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Religion_in_Northern_Ireland#2021_-_catholics_outnumber_protestants_why_not_say?

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/sep/22/catholics-outnumber-protestants-northern-ireland-census

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Northern_Ireland/Archive_12#Religion

especially since the demographics religion part is talking about a 2021 consensus. it's not like canada where catholics have outnumbered protestants for decades now. it's not even been half a decade since the outnumbering

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_Ireland#Religion

'At the 2021 census, 42.3% of the population identified as Roman Catholic, 37.3% as Protestant/other Christian, 1.3% as other religions, while 17.4% identified with no religion or did not state one.[' 218.253.54.29 (talk) 02:10, 4 May 2025 (UTC)

English language variant for article

Discussion is invited for the language variant to be used - it was listed as "British English", then "Hiberno English" and today back to "British English". I have to say that my understanding is that some form of Hiberno-English is used across the island, with that in the northern reaches having a higher share of British English, and a dash of Ulster Scots, but still being a form of Hiberno-, sometimes characterised as "Northern Hiberno-English". See How to speak Belfast / Northern Ireland and Ulster Language and Dialect Archive, National Museums NI, for example. Opinions? SeoR (talk) 22:48, 14 May 2025 (UTC)

My understanding of MOS:RETAIN is that an article should use either the English variety it was made in (in this case, British English) or the national variety depending on the topic (which again would be British English). Dgp4004 (talk) 22:56, 14 May 2025 (UTC)

Thanks for engaging, and yes, the base position is to retain established practice ... subject to "consensus to the contrary" - and so I think it is time to check for consensus, especially as I suspect the re-revised position is not the best fit. As evidenced by one of the references above, which covers research by quasi-official and very much local sources going back to the 1960s, and the other reference, of contemporary times. As an aside, as an article concerning Ireland, it may already be using Hiberno-English - the differences are subtle. SeoR (talk) 23:23, 14 May 2025 (UTC)

Further to the above, I see another page on my watchlist moved during Wednesday from the untidy and deprecated EngvarB to British English tagging - concerning a sea inlet which straddles the border - and I'd say the same considerations apply to such cases. SeoR (talk) 23:27, 14 May 2025 (UTC)