Talk:Neferhotep I

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Dr. Sowada contests evidence? Need Ryholt's 2ndary sources.

Here is contested testimony for Ryholt: 'curory evidence' and 'not labeled.' From Egypt in the Eastern Mediterranean During the Old Kingdom: An Archaeological ... By Karin Sowada — Preceding unsigned comment added by OWiseWun (talk • contribs) 06:55, 28 January 2013 (UTC)

I do not have the cited bibliography here, but I checked the article again. We only refer to Ryholt for the sources, and not for his opinions and discussions. So I do not really see the problem or point. bw -- Udimu (talk) 15:39, 28 January 2013 (UTC)

What are the names of his Children?

The article goes out of the say to say his Children's names are known, but doesn't list them, studying genealogical information is somethings the first thing I want to learn about a person when coming to Wikipedia.

So does anyone have this information?

Done two children are known for sure: Haankhef and Kemi (confusingly they bear the same names as Neferhotep's parents), a third child is likely to be Wahneferhotep. This is listed and explained in the article. Iry-Hor (talk) 14:30, 25 September 2014 (UTC)

Haankhef and Kemi

Why does it state that they are the parents of Neferhotep I? Somebody needs to proof read the second paragraph and make the appropriate changes, because apparently Haankhef was his only son and Kemi was his son's wife. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 1deano 1 (talk • contribs) 09:58, 13 October 2010 (UTC)

do not understand the problem. Haankhef and Kemi are the parents of Neferhotep I. But he also had two children, also called Haankhef and Kemi, evidently named after their grandparents. bw -- Udimu (talk) 21:22, 13 October 2010 (UTC)

That info may have been added to answer my question, for which I must say thank you.

Naming one's kids after their parents is a common procedure, I assumed before he only had Daughters since the Throne went to his Brother instead, however maybe Haankhef is the same as Sihator, the latter being a name given to him when made co regent or something like that.

Or, if my theory (Which I came to for completely different reasons) that Neferhotep is the Pharaoh of the Exodus is true, perhaps Haankhef is the 1st born son killed by the 10th plague. Kemi then also becomes likely I feel to be Bithiah, the traditional assumption that the Bithiah mentioned in Chronicles is Moses's Mother doesn't add up to me.

Or maybe your theory is completely wrong and conventional egyptology explains everything very well. Brother to brother succession occur frequently in the history of Ancient Egypt, see for example Djedefre -> Khafre, Sahure->Neferirkare Kakai etc. It is even known that this did not necessarily meant that the son of the pharaoh were dead or that he had no male heir since we have examples (e.g. Djedefre) where the son died after his father during the reign of his uncle. It is not clear under what circumstances this happened, it may have been a personal choice of the ruler. Iry-Hor (talk) 14:33, 25 September 2014 (UTC)

But then the article admits that as of 2014 they have not located the buried body of Neferhotep I; and his brother, not his son, succeeded him. The lack of a dead body could be, because he died in the Red Sea (Exodus 14:1-15:21); and his son may have died in the final plague - the death of the firstborn in the land of Egypt (Exodus 11:1-12:32). User:jack1513 23.124.197.192 (talk) 21:15, 14 February 2015 (UTC)

The article "admits" that Neferhotep's body has not been found yet; just like the bodies of more than a roughly-estimated 95% of all pharaohs. This, combined with the aforementioned fact that a fraternal succession among pharaohs was far from rare, and that many royal children are likely still unknown, should be enough to invalidate your theory. Even assuming that the Exodus actually occurred, we would have a huge amount of potential Pharaohs of the Exodus fullfilling your requisites, and Neferhotep no being more suitable than many others. Khruner (talk) 21:44, 17 March 2016 (UTC)

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Sobekhotep's father

"Beyond Haankhef, the only other exception to this rule is the father of Sobekhotep II." -- Can't find the father of Sobekhotep II in his article. Maybe another Sobekhotep was meant? I checked the article of Mentuhotep (god's father), the father of Sobekhotep III, but his article doesn't mention him being mentioned in the Turin canon. I know there is disagreement about the numbering of Sobekhoteps... Does anyone know whose father is mentioned in the TC? – Alensha ^talk 09:23, 27 March 2018 (UTC)

Just checked Gardiner. The only other king whose father is mentioned is the one in column 6, row 15 "[...]re Sobek[...]p, son of Nen?" who seems to be tentatively identified with Khaankhre Sobekhotep. Lone-078 (talk) 21:39, 16 January 2022 (UTC)

Error - Kyan is Associated with Ka-ankh-ra Sobekhotep

The source given for the claim that Kyan's seals were found with Ka-nefer-re's possessions actually says Kyan's seals were found on jars belonging to Ka-ankh-ra, not Ka-nefer-re. Please correct the error. Cadwallader (talk) 21:56, 17 September 2021 (UTC)

Several months after pointing it out, this error has not yet been corrected. I will correct it myself. Cadwallader (talk)

• this is not correct. Seals of Khyan were found together with those of king Kha-nefer-re Sobekhotep (brother of Neferhotep I). Anyway, you need to provide a proper referənce for that claim.Udimu (talk) 05:55, 12 January 2022 (UTC)