Talk:Murder

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Semi-protected edit request on 20 March 2024

Change "Parker argues that seven motives that explain homicides are anger, concealment, jealousy, revenge, love and gain."

To "Peter argues that six motives that explain homicides are anger, concealment, jealousy, revenge, love and gain. Jkilograms (talk) 18:47, 20 March 2024 (UTC)

I just removed the entire sentence as unsourced, as it was not clear who "Parker" was. This was not added at the same time as the material above it, so not likely the same source. And I doubt it was Peter Parker. That kid's too nerdy to be involved in murder. He probably just sits at home all day playing with a chemistry set. -- Nat Gertler (talk) 19:27, 20 March 2024 (UTC)

Cain slaying Abel - nitpicking concern

The first image in this article is of Cain slaying Abel... which, at least by the definition we're using for this article, was not murder. "Murder" requires it to be illegal, and to the best of my not-very-Bible-focused understanding, there was no body of law saying that one could not kill existing at this pre-Ten Commandments moment. (This is in contrast to, say, the consumption of the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil, which G-d had specifically proscribed.) That G-d chose to punish Cain seems more a matter of vengeance than law.

So this picture is understandable, but not ideal, and we should remain open to finding some alternative. -- Nat Gertler (talk) 15:56, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

Seeing Cain and Abel, Cain was punished by God, who was the Law. The Banner talk 21:28, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

That interpretation of the term "Law" is not fully in alignment with what we are talking about here. While G-d did set down a law in the wake of the incident, that was specifically that Cain was not to be killed. -- Nat Gertler (talk) 02:55, 19 November 2024 (UTC)

You mean: with the current practise. But you are not talking about the present time. The Banner talk 03:54, 19 November 2024 (UTC)

No, I actually meant what I said. But you're right, we're not talking about a present time, we aren't talking about any time at all, but a story in Genesis. -- Nat Gertler (talk) 04:39, 19 November 2024 (UTC)

'The four states of mind recognized as constituting "malice"'

The article currently states that there are four states of mind that constitute malice, namely i) intent to kill, ii) Intent to inflict grievous bodily harm, iii) reckless indifference to an unjustifiably high risk to human life, or iv) intent to commit a dangerous felony. AFAIK, this is a American definition. Only the first two apply in English law, and I have no idea about other jurisdictions. This section needs to better differentiate between how the concept of malice applies in different jurisdictions. Iapetus (talk) 15:21, 2 April 2025 (UTC)