Talk:Muhammad Ali

Semi-protected edit request on 5 April 2025

Would like to add this relevant link below to the Muhammed Ali Wiki page - a Louis Vuitton ad using his words and musician Yaesin Bae

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZG0Vz5Y55vk 60.242.182.133 (talk) 11:05, 5 April 2025 (UTC)

Where exactly would you like this added and for what purpose? GOAT Bones231012 (talk) 12:59, 5 April 2025 (UTC)

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• Muhammad Ali standing over Sonny Liston.jpg

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Check the delete page to see my explanation on how it’s Public Domain Wcamp9 (talk) 22:38, 8 June 2025 (UTC)

Very long

This article is too long to read and navigate comfortably. When the tag was added, its readable prose size was 14,656 words words. Consider splitting content into sub-article or condensing it. The article size impacts usability in multiple ways: Reader issues, such as attention span, readability, organization, information saturation, etc. (when articles are large). Total article size should be kept reasonably low, particularly for readers using slow internet connections or mobile devices or who have slow computer loading. Some large articles exist for topics that require depth and detail, but typically articles of such size are split into two or more smaller articles.Template:Pb

Word count	What to do
> 15,000 words	Almost certainly should be divided or trimmed.
this articleTemplate:Hr 14,656 words words	Almost certainly should be divided or trimmed
> 9,000 words	Probably should be divided or trimmed.

— Isaidnoway (talk) 20:58, 10 June 2025 (UTC)—

Having a separate Legacy of Muhammad Ali article seems like low-hanging fruit for this purpose. Stefen 𝕋ower_{s among the rest!} ^{Gab • Gruntwerk} 21:00, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

That section wouldn't be my first choice.--Jahalive (talk) 18:55, 11 June 2025 (UTC)

I wasn't suggesting it's a first or only choice, just the easiest big chunk to move out. Stefen 𝕋ower_{s among the rest!} ^{Gab • Gruntwerk} 19:00, 11 June 2025 (UTC)

It is less than 15,000 words so "Almost certainly should be divided or trimmed" is Isaidnoway 's opinion, not the guideline.

When Boxing career of Muhammad Ali was created, not much of what was moved there was rewritten here in Wikipedia:Summary style. If that was done it could make this smaller.

or

Most of the "Entertainment career" section could be moved to Muhammad Ali in media and popular culture.--Jahalive (talk) 18:55, 11 June 2025 (UTC)

14,656 words is 344 words away from 15,000 words, so yeah, it's close enough to the guideline where it almost certainly should be divided or trimmed. Isaidnoway (talk) 19:10, 11 June 2025 (UTC)

Split proposed

I propose that the Legacy section be split to Legacy of Muhammad Ali. By use of the prosesize tool, it has 1,445 words. Therefore, moving it out to a separate article would get this article out of (close to) "very long" status. There is also precedent for having separate legacy articles. Stefen 𝕋ower_{s among the rest!} ^{Gab • Gruntwerk} 20:12, 11 June 2025 (UTC)

To-do list

I reviewed the list (above or at Talk:Muhammad Ali/to do) and some of the issues seem to be resolved:

• The white devil stuff has changed significantly from the quotes in the list and most has been moved to Religious views of Muhammad Ali. I think we can consider this done.
• Columbia Gym still could be added.
• I read the Economist article that says "He absorbed 200,000 hits across his career." It's a review of the biography "Ali: A Life" by Jonathan Eig. I would guess the source is that biography, but it doesn't explicitly say that. The argument against it in the to-do list doesn't consider blows in sparing or his amateur career but it does seem to be an extraordinary number. To keep it, I think we should find a stronger source than this book review.
• The article no longer mentions four brothers. It does mention a sister, Eva, but I think that is referring to Ali's father's sister, Eva Clay Waddel. I think we can consider this done, although clarifying who Eva was a sister of would be an improvement.
• I'm not going to comment on that poem.
• I don't think the article needs anything about Ali as an ambassador for Louisville to be added, but if anyone wants to write something about that I'd encourage it. Can we remove this item from the list?

Jahalive (talk) 02:28, 14 June 2025 (UTC)

Not to fully respond, but the idea for the to-do list is to not remove something until it is done or at least considered by a discussion here. Stefen 𝕋ower_{s among the rest!} ^{Gab • Gruntwerk} 02:54, 14 June 2025 (UTC)