Talk:Minister for Women and Gender Equality and Youth

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We need confirmation that Robert Andras was the minister responsible for the status of women. This is stated on one online source but no mention of it is made in his biography on the Parliamentary website. We also need dates. AndyL 04:40, 5 Aug 2004 (UTC)

When is this sexist ministry going to be either abolished or complemented by a minister for men? Wimstead (talk) 22:22, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

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I have just removed material about a lawsuit that was added about ten years ago in this edit. Assuming that the username identifies the person accurately, the editor who added it appears to have been the plaintiff in the lawsuit, which indicates a Wikipedia:Conflict of interest risk. I have been unable to find any WP:Independent or WP:Secondary sources about this particular lawsuit (for example, any regular newspaper article that mentions it). Including it therefore puts WP:UNDUE emphasis on what seems to be a relatively unimportant lawsuit for this organization. WhatamIdoing (talk) 20:12, 12 July 2019 (UTC)

Requested move 18 May 2025

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Minister for Women and Gender Equality and Youth → Minister of Women and Gender EqualityMinister of Women and Gender Equality – The subject's name has changed. The current title is no longer the common name, but the proposed title is. An about template should be added to the article afterwards so people looking for Ministry of Women and Gender Equality can still find it. Legend of 14 (talk) 18:17, 18 May 2025 (UTC)

• Support: added a citation to the article that supports the change

Ivey (talk - contribs) 21:15, 18 May 2025 (UTC)

Did you do this without logging in? I can see no evidence of this citation being added. Am I missing something? Andrewa (talk) 09:36, 26 May 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose. No case has been made in terms of our article name policy. Stating that The subject's name has changed. The current title is no longer the common name, but the proposed title is without evidence is not helpful, to the point that I am left wondering whether nom knows what common name means in this context. Andrewa (talk) 09:31, 26 May 2025 (UTC)

  Here's a list of sources using the new name:

  • https://www.bnnbloomberg.ca/federal-election-2025/2025/05/13/carney-and-his-cabinet-being-sworn-in-by-governor-general-follow-for-live-updates/
  • https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/article/carney-cabinet-sworn-in-includes-two-dozen-new-faces-several-trudeau-era-ministers/
  • https://www.pm.gc.ca/en/news/news-releases/2025/05/13/prime-minister-carney-announces-new-ministry
  • https://globalnews.ca/news/11177116/canada-mark-carney-cabinet-swearing-in/
  • https://www.thestar.com/politics/federal/carney-cabinet-live/article_1e6bc84c-f3c9-4358-b561-49d157c8041b.html
  • https://www.ipolitics.ca/2025/05/13/carney-introduces-revamped-cabinet-featuring-15-first-time-ministers/

  Legend of 14 (talk) 00:40, 27 May 2025 (UTC)

  Thank you for this evidence, but you have demonstrated only that these six websites have each used the name once. On the other hand, a Google search for "Minister for Women and Gender Equality and Youth" still returns a great many recent hits. Andrewa (talk) 22:48, 27 May 2025 (UTC)

  This standard is not supported by WP:NAMECHANGES or WP:NATRUAL. Using old sources from before a name change, doesn't support keeping that old name, when sources from after the name change have adopted the new name. Legend of 14 (talk) 02:53, 30 May 2025 (UTC)

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• Comment. Ottawa, we have a problem. Official website says Frances McRae is Deputy Minister of Women and Gender Equality and Youth.
  There are four issues here:
  1. Whether it's "Minister for" or "Minister of" – getting "for" and "of" mixed happens a lot, in names of various government ministries
  2. Whether "and Youth" is part of the official title, and whether, if it is, that part is commonly omitted in sources, thus forming the common title
  3. Whether McRae actually leads a "Youth" section that her, presumably, boss Rechie Valdez has nothing to do with, and thus their titles actually differ this way
  4. Whether there has actually been any name change at all. The cited source just says that the ministry was temporarily dissolved, and then a short time later, restored. It says nothing of an actual name change.

Ministry names around the British Commonwealth routinely get tweaked every time a new PM comes into office. Wikipedia generally just goes with the flow. A sticky name like "Twitter" is the exception, not the rule. We should see sources continuing to use the old common name, even after the official name changed. But, in this case, it's not clear to me whether the official name changed at all. – wbm1058 (talk) 12:50, 2 June 2025 (UTC)

No issues here.

1. It is now minister of, see sources above.

2. Youth is not part of the title anymore. It has been separated out into a different position. Some of the sources above mention this.

3. The website your looking at was last modified in 2022. They likely forgot to update it. I have cited a government website above that uses Minister for Women and Gender Equality above. Her title is not relevant anyway, because this article about the Cabinet position, not department, or deputy minister position.

4. I have no idea what you mean by "ministry" here. Legend of 14 (talk) 15:02, 2 June 2025 (UTC)

I mean "department". As in "Women and Gender Equality Canada". It seems Canadian departments are led by "ministers" rather than "department heads" or "secretaries". Go figure. It seems odd that they would not bother to keep their website up-to-date. The §History section says "Responsibility for youth issues was added to the portfolio in 2021, once again associating the office with the Department of Canadian Heritage." If responsibility for youth issues was recently removed from the portfolio, then the §History needs to be updated to reflect that. Provide a link to the department that is currently responsible for youth issues. Sorry, I haven't taken a deep dive into researching this; just asking questions. – wbm1058 (talk) 19:16, 2 June 2025 (UTC)